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Neptune66

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Bite...Dud or just very condition specific?
« on: June 15, 2008, 12:54:58 AM »
Just curious how many of you are happy, unhappy, or undecided about your Black Widow Bite. Not taking a poll or anything.  Just interested everyone's experiences.

I have had some fantastic games with it. Not just high scores, but the ball was effortless to guide to the pocket. But most of the time, for me, it's been a Dud:

1) Ends up on one side or the other of the target.
2) Makes it's move too early sometimes, too late others.
3) Hits flat when it does hit it's target. Not a lot of pin action.

Then again.... there have some very good individual games with it (289, a couple game sin the 260's, and a few in the 240's), after which I thought I had one of the best weapons out there.  Most of the time, though, this ball does NOT come through for me ----yet (not selling or giving up on it just yet).

As I said... just interested in the consensus out there. If many of you have experienced anything similar or if you are totally thumbs up or thumbs down on the Bite.

 

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Re: Bite...Dud or just very condition specific?
« Reply #1 on: June 15, 2008, 09:08:31 AM »
I'd had mixed results with my Black Widow Bite as well.  It is a lot stronger than my solid and pearl but it seems to work the best when I have a lot of shine on it.  On Heavy oil is really needs to stay in the bag.  

When you say it either ends up on one side of your target or the other, that can't really be the ball's fault can it?  The individual throwing the ball should be able to correct that.  

All my widows work well but are all very condition specific.  


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Re: Bite...Dud or just very condition specific?
« Reply #2 on: June 15, 2008, 09:25:12 AM »
I've got a friend who bought one ( he buys lots of balls ) a couple of months or so ago and had great luck with it, but only for a while.

  When brand new, he shot lights out with it, but as it got some games on it ( around 40-50 ) it seemed to "slow down".  Not saying it died or anything, but he went from carrying everything that hit the pocket to having trouble getting it to finish hard enough to carry the corners, and all this in several houses, not just one.

  Within two weeks of buying it, he shot 2 300's, a 299, an 800, and several games over 270 and sets over 700.  A month later, it was all he could do to shoot 600 with it.

  Yes, he cleans his stuff, but not stringently.  Yes, he tried the hot water bath and resurfacing, but it never was like it was when it was new.


P.S.  He doesn't even throw it anymore.  Says he doesn't feel he can trust it.
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Re: Bite...Dud or just very condition specific?
« Reply #3 on: June 15, 2008, 09:52:39 AM »
I've kept my Bite polished since I got it and really love it. Its a very strong medium oil ball polished, works on medium-heavies if you don't go overboard in crossing boards.

I've seen good hit, but I would assume its just because i've found conditions that mine works on and matched up, therefore it performed well.

I have used it in a couple houses with no issues unless the shot was too short or too dry, which has occurred but thats when my Emerald or Break Pearl come in.

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Re: Bite...Dud or just very condition specific?
« Reply #4 on: June 15, 2008, 01:22:31 PM »
when i had mine i love it.  shot lights out with it, several 700s & 279s.  was able to play my power game inside, seemed like it recovered from anywhere.  unfortunately after about 70 games or so, it lost all if its reaction.  i clean my balls after every set and this was the first time a ball had "died" on me.  but when the ball was fresh out of the box, she was a beast!

Neptune66

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Re: Bite...Dud or just very condition specific?
« Reply #5 on: June 15, 2008, 09:56:45 PM »
Sounds similar to what I have been experiencing, though I don't have more than 20 or so games on it.

As to matt1286's comment about "operator error", yes... I agree that's part of it. The fact that it's Asymetrical and very sensitive to the slightest variation in my delivery would account for many errant shots. But I have an Ebonite Raid, which is also asymetrical and it always hits very hard. The Bite seems to hit like a wet noodle a lot of the time on what look like solid pocket shots. Not sure if it's still sliding, or rolling too soon, but it's frequently a bad hit.

The Raid, on the other hand, is sometimes off target, but always mixes well. The Bite is much more unpredictable. Granted it's [supposed to be] a stronger ball, but when I throw my Raid (or anything else for that matter) I am seldom surprised at where it ends up...regardless of whether I'm pleased or not with the result. The Bite is very unpredictable...for me. Not a good thing.

Having said all that negative stuff.... every once in awhile it is a great ball. Still... much as Juggernaut's friend said...I don't feel I can trust it to come through for me when I need it to.   It's an ok practice ball, but when anything is on the line, I need to go with something else....my Raw Hammer Anger, or Ebonite Raid. Both balls do exactly what they're supposed to do... much more often than not.

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Re: Bite...Dud or just very condition specific?
« Reply #6 on: June 16, 2008, 01:41:40 AM »
bowled in a tournament yesterday, where one of the bowlers in our team was using the Bite.  over the 12 games we bowled, he left close to 50 single pins, mainly 10 pins, and some 7s and 4s.  it was unbelievable and very frustrating for him.  while the rest of us seemed to have good carry (using BW solid, Cell, and Scorchin' Inferno), the Bite just didn't carry from pocket hit after pocket hit.

Never used one myself, but from observing it up close yesterday, could not recommend it.
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Re: Bite...Dud or just very condition specific?
« Reply #7 on: June 16, 2008, 02:18:10 AM »
I have thrown my Bite on fresh house, shark and viper.  On the house shot it was money except a couple nine pins since it roars to the pocket on a miss right.  On the Viper, I am simply not good enough to use it (I used my Total NV after practice).  On the Shark it was great until the pattern started to break down a bit.  Then it wanted to read a little early (as it does) and four pins became a problem.  After two games I put it away.

I throw med speed with med-high revs.  The ball is basically drilled neutral (just let the ball do what it does).

I have not had any big games with it, but also have not had any carry problems.  It is a touchy ball and needs to be thrown well on the correct conditions.

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Re: Bite...Dud or just very condition specific?
« Reply #8 on: June 16, 2008, 02:44:34 AM »
for me its a dud on anything with friction
but when i bowl on a fresh oil its money
it doesnt sound like it hits super hard but it gets pins flying and has great carry.just cant use it alot

Neptune66

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Re: Bite...Dud or just very condition specific?
« Reply #9 on: June 16, 2008, 06:04:15 AM »
"Carry".... THAT was the word I didn't include, and it's the lack of it that really is frustrating me. And now that it's been mentioned.... the sound.

When it hits the pins, the impact sounds different somehow. Almost sounds like a broken pin, or a thud. Something just not quite right on several hits.

If only I noticed it myself, or was only on non-strikes, one would think  it was just the mind looking for reasons for lack of success. But this is on most hits.... even the ones that LOOK like solid strikes and where all 10 pins DO in fact go down. Something just not quite right there.

And it could just be that the lanes are too dry (they're not bone dry, but they're not heavily oiled either) and it's just burning up too early. That IS the way it feels. As if I have to provide way too much power for it to get far enough down the lane before it makes it's move. But... I have plenty of speed and when I do give it a little more push, it will skate past the breakpoint like it's on ...well "skates".

It's almost as if the ball has too much friction most of the time, but using speed or angle to overcome the friction does NOT make the ball go a little longer down the lane. It just pushes it past the breakpoint altogether or causes it to skid too much.

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Re: Bite...Dud or just very condition specific?
« Reply #10 on: June 16, 2008, 09:17:51 AM »
For me the BITE was great on THS but on the tougher patterns it was not good.  The ball was just too hard to control on tougher patterns because of it's backend strength.

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Re: Bite...Dud or just very condition specific?
« Reply #11 on: June 16, 2008, 04:10:44 PM »
I've seen people talk about this ball dying on them. For me, my ball was dead oob. Then I throw some 2000 on there, and this ball is pure money with 200+ games. This ball has helped me raise my average about thirty pins on the THS. I just love it, and it seems to get better with the more games it has. Just my $0.02.
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Re: Bite...Dud or just very condition specific?
« Reply #12 on: June 16, 2008, 04:58:49 PM »
WOW !

A Bite that gets better with more games on it ... I think we all want that

on topic: I now have around 50 games on my Bite, reaction now compared to oob:
ball has an earlier Breakpoint now, and less angular, I would say it's about 3 boards weaker than oob, and no real difference between game 20-50 so I like that.

On oure THS it's good, allthough I was more impressed with it's reaction on a Sportshot that I tried (I didn't score good, about a 170avg for 6, but it was the first time EVER I tried a sportshot, I could play a lot of lines on it, and the first 2 games I was quite lost, think I left about 5 washouts or splits each game, but that's due it's operator and not the ball offcourse...)

Good ball to have in the bag, imo ... just hoping it will last at least 100-150+ more games, probably letting it resurface week or 2 before league season starts.

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Re: Bite...Dud or just very condition specific?
« Reply #13 on: June 16, 2008, 08:09:44 PM »
Bowled with it today (just practice), and it was a a microcosm (<--sp?) of the whole time I have had this ball.

First 3 frames am getting very nice hits, but they're all 9's. Picking up my spares (2 were 10 pins), so it's a decent game still, though not remarkable. Then a nice solid strike...everything good (location, sound, mixing action)...everything. Then another beautiful pocket hit.

Then... 2 or 3 (I honestly don't remember) very sloppy strikes, but strikes just the same. Then it starts to hit flat. In the pocket, but not very good carry at all. Ended up with spares the rest of the way for a 229. Not an awful game, not a great game. A disappointment though. Still on the fence with my Bite. Tomorrow night it will be tested again an we'll see how it goes.

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Re: Bite...Dud or just very condition specific?
« Reply #14 on: June 16, 2008, 10:12:45 PM »
Used both my Bites at the USBC Open championships, possibly looking at a thousand dollar payday.  I say, if you throw em right, they are fine.
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