Just dropped by Billy O. on their FB page, plus now is on Hammer's website.

http://www.hammerbowling.com/products/balls/upper-mid-performance/black-widow-black-gold

Gas Mask Core, Aggression Hybrid coverstock (Rip'D cover).

I believe Bill said WWRD was 8/20, so that is coming up fast.

Now this further goes into my confusion. I was looking at getting a Rip'D, then the Scandal/S came out, and I was going to ask that outside of asymmetric versus symmetric, why should I choose the Scandal/S over the Rip'd. Now I have to ask the question of all three: why should I choose one of these balls over the other 2, if right now, the only difference is core, asym versus symmetric, and shape?

On a lighter note, looks like Vanderbilt would have an official ball!

BL.

Another thing to notice here, is that with releasing the Scandal/S, they did quietly phase out the Scandal Pearl finally. So there is no longer a pearl in their HP lineup.

It may be a good idea to jump on that BWG real quick, but I would suspect that a HP pearl would come out mid season, shortly before Christmas.

BL.

I am a newbie,but the numbers are exactly like the Black Widow Gold. Can't you just changed the surface of the ball and have the same exact ball? I don't see why I would pay 169.00 for the same ball?
Do the cover really make it that big of a difference? (Remember I am a newbie at this cover thing).

Quote from: djgook on July 27, 2018, 01:28:37 PM

I am a newbie,but the numbers are exactly like the Black Widow Gold. Can't you just changed the surface of the ball and have the same exact ball? I don't see why I would pay 169.00 for the same ball?
Do the cover really make it that big of a difference? (Remember I am a newbie at this cover thing).

Different cover has the possibility of making a big difference. In this case if you already have the Gold then I don't see a reason for this as it'll just add overlap

The Black Widow Gold is squirtier and less consistent. By the way, where are you seeing the Black Widow Black/Gold for 169?

Quote from: 2handedrook12 on July 27, 2018, 09:16:04 PM

Quote from: SVstar34 on July 27, 2018, 02:35:31 PM

Quote from: djgook on July 27, 2018, 01:28:37 PM

I am a newbie,but the numbers are exactly like the Black Widow Gold. Can't you just changed the surface of the ball and have the same exact ball? I don't see why I would pay 169.00 for the same ball?
Do the cover really make it that big of a difference? (Remember I am a newbie at this cover thing).

Different cover has the possibility of making a big difference. In this case if you already have the Gold then I don't see a reason for this as it'll just add overlap

The Black Widow Gold is squirtier and less consistent. By the way, where are you seeing the Black Widow Black/Gold for 169?

This still lends credence to the question of choice between the BWG or keeping the Scandal Pearl.. decisions on that one as well.

BL.

Are you looking to replace or make a complimentary 2 ball arsenal from the two you pick?

Quote from: bradl on July 27, 2018, 10:08:25 PM

This still lends credence to the question of choice between the BWG or keeping the Scandal Pearl.. decisions on that one as well.

BL.

Are you looking to replace or make a complimentary 2 ball arsenal from the two you pick?

What I'm thinking is this. My Maverick is pretty much dead, and my Scandal Pearl is outhooking my Scandal even on the fresh. So if I were to put together a solid/hybrid/pearl arsenal, that would put me perfectly with selecting between the Rip'D Solid, Rip'D (or BWBG, or even Scandal/S), and either getting a BWG or sticking with the Scandal Pearl, knowing that  I'll need room in my bag for a pearl sometime soon, as the Scandal Pearl is already discontinued, and the BWG is close to being on its way out (it's last on the list in the UMP line).

What I'm trying to do is put together a solid lineup that will take on the fresh, give me something clean through the heads and the midlane as blend out the wet/dry while still getting a nice pop at the back end, and then handle the carry down when the heads start to burn up. The solid will handle the fresh which is great, but options open up when it comes to the hybrid, and then still have two more options with the pearls, and I'm not sure if I should stick with the current pearl, or figure out how the BWG compares to the Scandal Pearl.

This in addition to already having a BW Urethane, in which urethane has been a staple in my bag for 30 years.

BL.

I am a newbie,but the numbers are exactly like the Black Widow Gold. Can't you just changed the surface of the ball and have the same exact ball? I don't see why I would pay 169.00 for the same ball?
Do the cover really make it that big of a difference? (Remember I am a newbie at this cover thing).

Same core, so of course the numbers will be the same. Some people don't realize that those numbers are just for the core. Cover strength definitely makes a big difference.

We just had an EBI demo day here and the BW B/G did not disappoint. I just sold my Rip'D so I was not able to compare. Plus I basically had to throw 15 due to the span sizes. However, it did seem a little cleaner and flippier. I wouldn't call it true skid/flip, but it is definitely on the angular side. I kept striking with it. If I didn't already pick up the Radical Ludicrous, I would probably buy the Widow. Top 3 of the EBI balls that they brought.