Author Topic: I want to add a Total NV and a Toxic to my arsenal. What do you think? (Read 2810 times)

crusher267658 · « **on:** March 11, 2007, 02:54:10 PM »

My arsenal already has a Action, BW, Doom and a Black Hammer. I want to add a Total NV and a Toxic to my arsenal. Would this be a good move? I think this would complete my arsenal.
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High Game: 279 (Hammer Black Widow) 1/17/07

High Series: 757 (Hammer Black Widow) 1/17/07

My Current Arsenal,

Columbia 300 Action
Hammer Black Widow
Doom Raw Hammer
Faball Black Hammer

My 06-07 Bowling Stats:

http://bowlingtracker.no-ip.org:2222/personalstats/ViewStats.asp?PS_LeagueID=7414

Photos Of Balls I Have Used In The Past 3 Years.

http://s99.photobucket.com/albums/l290/crusher267658/My%20Bowling%20Balls/

Gene J Kanak · « **Reply #1 on:** March 12, 2007, 07:45:39 AM »

Well, it always depends upon drilling, coverstock prep, and the conditions on which you plan to use them, but, just off the cuff, I think you can get away with fitting both a TNV and Toxic in there.

From what I see, your arsenal should set up like this:

Heavy: Action
Med-Heavy: TNV
Med: Widow
Med: Toxic
Med-light: Doom
Light: Black Hammer

Again, that is just a general assessment. The true viability of such a lineup will depend upon how you drill them and prep their covers. If you do it correctly, though, you should be able to fit all of those into the same arsenal with little to no overlap.
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crusher267658 · « **Reply #2 on:** March 12, 2007, 08:54:57 AM »

Great thanks. Now I just need to get the money to buy the Toxic and Total NV.
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High Game: 279 (Hammer Black Widow) 1/17/07

High Series: 757 (Hammer Black Widow) 1/17/07

My Current Arsenal,

Columbia 300 Action
Hammer Black Widow
Doom Raw Hammer
Faball Black Hammer

My 06-07 Bowling Stats:

http://bowlingtracker.no-ip.org:2222/personalstats/ViewStats.asp?PS_LeagueID=7414

Photos Of Balls I Have Used In The Past 3 Years.

http://s99.photobucket.com/albums/l290/crusher267658/My%20Bowling%20Balls/

c-hop · « **Reply #3 on:** March 12, 2007, 07:25:46 PM »

get a total nv i just shot 299 with mine and i am also thinking of getting a toxic. i get to thorw it at a hammer demo this saturday cant wait !!!
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Chris

chitown · « **Reply #4 on:** March 12, 2007, 11:00:12 PM »

The TNV would be a good selection but pass on the TOXIC. You have a DOOM to handle the same conditions the TOXIC would.
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HAMMER NO MERCY is Un-freaking real! Using this ball is like cheating!

crusher267658 · « **Reply #5 on:** March 12, 2007, 11:37:03 PM »

Eh, but my Doom hasn't been working right for me lately.
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High Game: 279 (Hammer Black Widow) 1/17/07

High Series: 757 (Hammer Black Widow) 1/17/07

My Current Arsenal,

Columbia 300 Action
Hammer Black Widow
Doom Raw Hammer
Faball Black Hammer

My 06-07 Bowling Stats:

http://bowlingtracker.no-ip.org:2222/personalstats/ViewStats.asp?PS_LeagueID=7414

Photos Of Balls I Have Used In The Past 3 Years.

http://s99.photobucket.com/albums/l290/crusher267658/My%20Bowling%20Balls/

chitown · « **Reply #6 on:** March 14, 2007, 10:21:15 AM »

quote:
Eh, but my Doom hasn't been working right for me lately.
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High Game: 279 (Hammer Black Widow) 1/17/07

High Series: 757 (Hammer Black Widow) 1/17/07

My Current Arsenal,

Columbia 300 Action
Hammer Black Widow
Doom Raw Hammer
Faball Black Hammer

My 06-07 Bowling Stats:

http://bowlingtracker.no-ip.org:2222/personalstats/ViewStats.asp?PS_LeagueID=7414

Photos Of Balls I Have Used In The Past 3 Years.

http://s99.photobucket.com/albums/l290/crusher267658/My%20Bowling%20Balls/

What do you mean? What's going on with it? Are you sure it's not the condition your bowling on?

Listen, i'm being very honest with you. I just got rid of my TOXIC. For me this ball was not good. It's too strong when it hits the friction. This ball is just unpredictable. I bowl on tough lane conditions every week in league (not a walled up house shot). I prefer bowling balls that will work well on both tough and easy house conditions. I just don't see that with the TOXIC.

Now the TOXIC would work well on a house shot that has a lot of miss area. However what ball doesn't work well on conditions like that?
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HAMMER NO MERCY is Un-freaking real! Using this ball is like cheating!

V Spec 11 · « **Reply #7 on:** March 14, 2007, 11:01:32 AM »

chitown is right I have the toxic and I do not like it at all. It is way to jumpy off the dry. Add a long oil pattern to the mix and then it doesn't move. I just don't have any control with this ball. Will be getting a no mercy or TNV once I get rid of it
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Ebonite - The One
Raw Hammer - Toxic
Track - Revmaster
Ebonite - Matrix III
Storm - Soccer Ball

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crusher267658 · « **Reply #8 on:** March 14, 2007, 11:23:57 AM »

I guess it's just personal preference. The way the Toxic is supposed to move, is exactly what I'm looking for. I love my Doom, but it just hasn't worked the same as it did a couple months ago. The league that I have been bowling in has had really heavy oil the first 40-42 feet and the about the last 18-20 feet it has been about medium oil, and I think that the Toxic would be perfect on those lanes
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High Game: 279 (Hammer Black Widow) 1/17/07

High Series: 757 (Hammer Black Widow) 1/17/07

My Current Arsenal,

Columbia 300 Action
Hammer Black Widow
Doom Raw Hammer
Faball Black Hammer

My 06-07 Bowling Stats:

http://bowlingtracker.no-ip.org:2222/personalstats/ViewStats.asp?PS_LeagueID=7414

Photos Of Balls I Have Used In The Past 3 Years.

http://s99.photobucket.com/albums/l290/crusher267658/My%20Bowling%20Balls/

V Spec 11 · « **Reply #9 on:** March 14, 2007, 01:09:15 PM »

quote:
I guess it's just personal preference. The way the Toxic is supposed to move, is exactly what I'm looking for. I love my Doom, but it just hasn't worked the same as it did a couple months ago. The league that I have been bowling in has had really heavy oil the first 40-42 feet and the about the last 18-20 feet it has been about medium oil, and I think that the Toxic would be perfect on those lanes
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High Game: 279 (Hammer Black Widow) 1/17/07

High Series: 757 (Hammer Black Widow) 1/17/07

My Current Arsenal,

Columbia 300 Action
Hammer Black Widow
Doom Raw Hammer
Faball Black Hammer

My 06-07 Bowling Stats:

http://bowlingtracker.no-ip.org:2222/personalstats/ViewStats.asp?PS_LeagueID=7414

Photos Of Balls I Have Used In The Past 3 Years.

http://s99.photobucket.com/albums/l290/crusher267658/My%20Bowling%20Balls/

the toxic would be the worst choice of a ball for that lane condition. The toxic is a med to light oil ball at best. I have tried to throw mine on a heavy shot and it sucked, unless you like your ball to just not move at all. You may want to do a little more research before just going out and buying every new ball that comes out. I think you buy based on what others are saying on here about the ball rather than what is going to work best for your style. Just my opinion, but I think the last thing you need is something else that you don't know how to throw.
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Ebonite - The One
Raw Hammer - Toxic
Track - Revmaster
Ebonite - Matrix III
Storm - Soccer Ball

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crusher267658 · « **Reply #10 on:** March 14, 2007, 01:26:26 PM »

Well, the way I throw the ball, I think the Toxic would be perfect. Well, I guess we will all find out once I get it.
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High Game: 279 (Hammer Black Widow) 1/17/07

High Series: 757 (Hammer Black Widow) 1/17/07

My Current Arsenal,

Columbia 300 Action
Hammer Black Widow
Doom Raw Hammer
Faball Black Hammer

My 06-07 Bowling Stats:

http://bowlingtracker.no-ip.org:2222/personalstats/ViewStats.asp?PS_LeagueID=7414

Photos Of Balls I Have Used In The Past 3 Years.

http://s99.photobucket.com/albums/l290/crusher267658/My%20Bowling%20Balls/

chitown · « **Reply #11 on:** March 14, 2007, 03:08:39 PM »

Crusher, V SPEC 11 is correct. He's just giving you an honest opinion about a ball. A lot of people on these sites are afraid to give a bad review of a ball.

Now he's correct is saying that the TOXIC is not a good ball for long oil. The TOXIC has a lot of built in length. It goes longer than the DOOM. It also responds to friction a lot more. Now the DOOM has a big back end reaction as well but it's far more controllable.

It seems that your set on buying that ball. So go ahead and get it. However don't be surprised if your not happy with it.

If you bowl on really easy condition this ball will be fine. If you get on some lane patterns that require accuracy it's going to suck!

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HAMMER NO MERCY is Un-freaking real! Using this ball is like cheating!

chitown · « **Reply #12 on:** March 14, 2007, 03:27:39 PM »

quote:
I guess it's just personal preference. The way the Toxic is supposed to move, is exactly what I'm looking for. I love my Doom, but it just hasn't worked the same as it did a couple months ago. The league that I have been bowling in has had really heavy oil the first 40-42 feet and the about the last 18-20 feet it has been about medium oil, and I think that the Toxic would be perfect on those lanes
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High Game: 279 (Hammer Black Widow) 1/17/07

High Series: 757 (Hammer Black Widow) 1/17/07

My Current Arsenal,

Columbia 300 Action
Hammer Black Widow
Doom Raw Hammer
Faball Black Hammer

My 06-07 Bowling Stats:

http://bowlingtracker.no-ip.org:2222/personalstats/ViewStats.asp?PS_LeagueID=7414

Photos Of Balls I Have Used In The Past 3 Years.

http://s99.photobucket.com/albums/l290/crusher267658/My%20Bowling%20Balls/

I think your mistaken with the oil pattern your bowling on. If the lanes are heavy for 40' to 42' then oiled another 20' there would be oil all the way to the pin deck. If that's the case no ball is going to hook. Your probably bowling on a pattern that is 42' long.
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HAMMER NO MERCY is Un-freaking real! Using this ball is like cheating!

Edited on 3/14/2007 3:27 PM

crusher267658 · « **Reply #13 on:** March 14, 2007, 04:33:05 PM »

Well, that was just the way the lanes were in my league the last couple of weeks. I had throw almost a straight line to the pocket with my Black Widow. Next year I'm gonna be bowling at a different house where I currently go to pratice about 9-15 games a week, and I average about a 200-220 on those lanes. So the house that I go to practice on has pretty easy lane conditions.

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quote:
I guess it's just personal preference. The way the Toxic is supposed to move, is exactly what I'm looking for. I love my Doom, but it just hasn't worked the same as it did a couple months ago. The league that I have been bowling in has had really heavy oil the first 40-42 feet and the about the last 18-20 feet it has been about medium oil, and I think that the Toxic would be perfect on those lanes
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High Game: 279 (Hammer Black Widow) 1/17/07

High Series: 757 (Hammer Black Widow) 1/17/07

My Current Arsenal,

Columbia 300 Action
Hammer Black Widow
Doom Raw Hammer
Faball Black Hammer

My 06-07 Bowling Stats:

http://bowlingtracker.no-ip.org:2222/personalstats/ViewStats.asp?PS_LeagueID=7414

Photos Of Balls I Have Used In The Past 3 Years.

http://s99.photobucket.com/albums/l290/crusher267658/My%20Bowling%20Balls/

I think your mistaken with the oil pattern your bowling on. If the lanes are heavy for 40' to 42' then oiled another 20' there would be oil all the way to the pin deck. If that's the case no ball is going to hook. Your probably bowling on a pattern that is 42' long.
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HAMMER NO MERCY is Un-freaking real! Using this ball is like cheating!

Edited on 3/14/2007 3:27 PM

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High Game: 279 (Hammer Black Widow) 1/17/07

High Series: 757 (Hammer Black Widow) 1/17/07

My Current Arsenal,

Columbia 300 Action
Hammer Black Widow
Doom Raw Hammer
Faball Black Hammer

My 06-07 Bowling Stats:

http://bowlingtracker.no-ip.org:2222/personalstats/ViewStats.asp?PS_LeagueID=7414

Photos Of Balls I Have Used In The Past 3 Years.

http://s99.photobucket.com/albums/l290/crusher267658/My%20Bowling%20Balls/

crusher267658 · « **Reply #14 on:** March 14, 2007, 04:34:55 PM »

The league that I have always bowled in has always had terrible lanes, I have the highest average in the league and it is a 189. While in other houses I average anywhere from a 200-220.
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High Game: 279 (Hammer Black Widow) 1/17/07

High Series: 757 (Hammer Black Widow) 1/17/07

My Current Arsenal,

Columbia 300 Action
Hammer Black Widow
Doom Raw Hammer
Faball Black Hammer

My 06-07 Bowling Stats:

http://bowlingtracker.no-ip.org:2222/personalstats/ViewStats.asp?PS_LeagueID=7414

Photos Of Balls I Have Used In The Past 3 Years.

http://s99.photobucket.com/albums/l290/crusher267658/My%20Bowling%20Balls/

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