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Warmon

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Is it TUFF Enough?
« on: September 07, 2006, 10:11:24 AM »
Okay Hammerheads,

How many of you use a Hammer Tuff as your spare or burnt lane ball? How does it compare to other polyesters you've thrown? I notice it has more differential than most other plastics - zones, maxims, dots, etc. I think this might be a good choice for my high rev, med slow speed son who tends to hook his black pure hammer to far left - length is a problem.

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Re: Is it TUFF Enough?
« Reply #1 on: September 07, 2006, 07:21:23 PM »
Its a spare ball, period... I would not recommend this ball for anything else, but thats just my opinion.. I have never seen it used for anything other then that..
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Warmon

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Re: Is it TUFF Enough?
« Reply #2 on: September 07, 2006, 08:38:50 PM »
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if his pure hammer is over-hooking, maybe you should teach him to get further left


He's already against the ball return - nowhere else to go. Should probably mention he bowls thumbless, but not like most people do it. I guess its a run up and heave kind of motion. Very unothodox. Looks almost ridiculous, but finish form is pretty good and consistency is excellent. Has almost textbook perfect axis rotation, tilt and ball track. Capable of high scores in oily conditions with carry down. Bowled many 250+ games this past summer in no tap. Being a typical teenager that knows it all, he won't listen to anything involving using the thumbhole.

I'm thinking plastic tuff, slate blue gargoyle or rotogrip mercury.
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No Open Tenths

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Re: Is it TUFF Enough?
« Reply #3 on: September 07, 2006, 09:22:49 PM »
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"no more equipment until you start listening and learn to bowl the correct way" (i.e use his thumb).

 I have to agree with this. As someone who has gone through the change over from no thumb to using the thumb I can tell you that unless he is very dedicated the change could make him quit the game all together. On the other hand if he learns now his average probably will not drop as much as it will later and will be easier on his ego. I'd suggest that you ask him how good he wants to become and if his answer is that it wants to be a good as he can or anywhere in the 190-210 range to tell him to stop wasting his time and learn to bowl correctly NOW.  I sure wish someone would have sat me down and had this discussion with me before I wasted 2-3 years bowling without a thumb.
 Just my 2 cents, Wish him luck for me.
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Re: Is it TUFF Enough?
« Reply #4 on: September 07, 2006, 09:27:36 PM »
Sorry.... as to your question. I also have fairly low ball speed and am rev dominant. The slate blue gargoyle would probably be a good choice but you may have to polish that as well. The problem is until he can learn to stay behind the ball he will probably always have a problem with his breakpoint being inconsistant. Also be ready to use polish on ANY ball he may throw.
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Re: Is it TUFF Enough?
« Reply #5 on: September 08, 2006, 09:56:28 AM »
The TUFF is definantly a spare ball and nothing more, as a strike ball, it hits like a turd.................
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Re: Is it TUFF Enough?
« Reply #6 on: September 08, 2006, 09:20:18 PM »
I was asking jeff lizzy today about a good dry lane ball and he was saying the hammer vibe or the pure hammer are great for spare balls or dry lane balls he also said the black ice was a good alternative if u like ebonite

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Re: Is it TUFF Enough?
« Reply #7 on: September 08, 2006, 09:34:36 PM »
ahhh in the first post didnt say a no thumber only prob with plastic is hits like a melon lol u are right get him to put his thumb in the ball

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Re: Is it TUFF Enough?
« Reply #8 on: September 11, 2006, 08:34:55 AM »
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i'll say this again. hit is angle. i've used plastic for strikes from an outside line and it hit great and i carried just as good as people using resin who were 20+ boards left of me.

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The TUFF is definantly a spare ball and nothing more, as a strike ball, it hits like a turd.................
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The TUFF still hits like a turd compared to anything else that Hammer puts out whether or not you can carry from the outside with it. Sure, you could play the twig or no-thumb it and get some carry out of it but it is still a plastic ball with a pancake weight block.....'nuff said
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Re: Is it TUFF Enough?
« Reply #9 on: September 11, 2006, 09:56:26 AM »
The Tuff is not enough.  If 250 No-tap is good then the kid needs to get a thumb anyway.  Those are the scores one should be looking for in "real" scoring situations.  I feel like I sucked at life if I walk away from the lanes without a 600 series at minimum.  Most 600s turn into low 800s for me on no tap situations.  No tap is a way to make an average bowler look better than they are. In this day in age knocking down 9 with a decent ball on a THS consists of touching the head pin.  Think of the combonations to leave one pin, you hit at a poor angle, 10pin.  Come in heavy 4 pin, get high and tight might leave a 7.  Get a ton of angle and you have a 9 pin.  Hit sloppy and light might get a 2 pin.  Go brooklyn and all the same applies with a 5 pin thrown in there.  Its not a good judge.  I'm not trying to be a jerk, but I was averaging 160 in my highschool league and pounding out high 200's in no tap.  Then I actually learned to bowl and I lead my league in average, had league high series and knocked off the guy that had held the league by the balls for 3 years running.  There is much more to be gained by learning to bowl correctly. One can learn to rotate the ball hard and have a thumb in the ball to guide the trajectory and control the axis tilt if they are willing to try.  

In short I'm sorry to rant, but until he learns to bowl you are throwing your money away on equipment.  If he feels he wants to bowl that way then tell him to earn the money for a new ball.  I know, I'm not in your shoes, but there is no sense is wasting the time or money for it.