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J_w73

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new black urethane vs blue urethane with vibe core.
« on: March 08, 2016, 05:41:19 PM »
Can anyone give a comparison of these two balls? Is the blue urethane going to be longer with less hook?
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SVstar34

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Re: new black urethane vs blue urethane with vibe core.
« Reply #1 on: March 08, 2016, 05:46:26 PM »
In theory

J_w73

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Re: new black urethane vs blue urethane with vibe core.
« Reply #2 on: March 08, 2016, 05:57:10 PM »
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Re: new black urethane vs blue urethane with vibe core.
« Reply #3 on: March 08, 2016, 06:02:51 PM »
They're both urethane. There isn't going to be a large difference

J_w73

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Re: new black urethane vs blue urethane with vibe core.
« Reply #4 on: March 08, 2016, 06:06:42 PM »
So better off getting two black urethanes and changing the layout or surface?
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Re: new black urethane vs blue urethane with vibe core.
« Reply #5 on: March 08, 2016, 06:13:07 PM »
Why do you need 2 urethane balls? Why not take a ball with a reactive cover and drill it weak?

J_w73

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Re: new black urethane vs blue urethane with vibe core.
« Reply #6 on: March 08, 2016, 06:26:47 PM »
My friend is on a urethane kick and just got a black hammer and loves it .. but the lanes are still so dry that it is too early and hooks too much by the end of the night..
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SVstar34

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Re: new black urethane vs blue urethane with vibe core.
« Reply #7 on: March 08, 2016, 06:45:10 PM »
Plastic like the Track Spare+ or Storm Mix

Or weaker reactive ball drilled weak. If anything reactive is too much then plastic
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JamminJD

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Re: new black urethane vs blue urethane with vibe core.
« Reply #8 on: March 08, 2016, 07:10:43 PM »
The Black Hammer is my favorite out of all the Urethanes. It real close to old urethane to me.

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Re: new black urethane vs blue urethane with vibe core.
« Reply #9 on: March 09, 2016, 07:59:43 AM »
SVStar obviously has never thrown both and has no idea how beneficial urethane is. Weak resin is not often the answer.   You end up getting over/under because you can't get into the oil and it still bounces too much off the dry. And it's way better than plastic. 

There is a huge difference between the two and very possible to have both. The Black Urethane is very close to original urethane in the 80s. The cover is very early and is hard to polish.  It really requires oil up front for it to be effective.

The Blue is unique in that it pushes much easier and can be thrown away from the pocket easier.   It definitely is a compliment to the Black and polishes very easy.  I prefer the Blue in my league because I can stay much farther right than the Black.  It sounds like this is the case for your friend.

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Re: new black urethane vs blue urethane with vibe core.
« Reply #10 on: March 09, 2016, 09:08:12 AM »
The blue hammer has more reactive material in it than the black hammer so it shines better and you can throw it away from you better than the black at least in my experience anyway..

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Re: new black urethane vs blue urethane with vibe core.
« Reply #11 on: March 09, 2016, 09:11:30 AM »
SVStar obviously has never thrown both and has no idea how beneficial urethane is. Weak resin is not often the answer.   You end up getting over/under because you can't get into the oil and it still bounces too much off the dry. And it's way better than plastic. 


I've thrown the Blue and I have a Pitch Black, don't make assumptions like that

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Re: new black urethane vs blue urethane with vibe core.
« Reply #12 on: March 09, 2016, 09:15:13 AM »
SVStar obviously has never thrown both and has no idea how beneficial urethane is. Weak resin is not often the answer.   You end up getting over/under because you can't get into the oil and it still bounces too much off the dry. And it's way better than plastic. 


I've thrown the Blue and I have a Pitch Black, don't make assumptions like that

You haven't thrown both so you ARE making an assumption.  One that the Pitch Black is like the Black Hammer.  You also made one by saying "They're both urethane. There isn't going to be a large difference".

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Re: new black urethane vs blue urethane with vibe core.
« Reply #13 on: March 09, 2016, 10:17:06 AM »
A lot of times people think a highly polished weak reactive ball will work on dry lanes, but they just see over/under. Changing the surface to 500 or 1000 makes a big difference in those situations. From what I have seen, the Black Hammer doesn't look too different from the Pitch Black, maybe a touch earlier

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Re: new black urethane vs blue urethane with vibe core.
« Reply #14 on: March 09, 2016, 11:31:03 AM »
A lot of times people think a highly polished weak reactive ball will work on dry lanes, but they just see over/under. Changing the surface to 500 or 1000 makes a big difference in those situations. From what I have seen, the Black Hammer doesn't look too different from the Pitch Black, maybe a touch earlier
Black is a little earlier but weaker overall than the pitch black, both at 500 abralon is my experiment.