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SteveAustin2808

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New Hammer Equipment Observations
« on: August 02, 2009, 06:40:35 PM »
HEY HAMMERHEADS!

After a good 4 hour session of practice today, I figured I would post some observations on how the new Hammer equipment looked on the lanes today. Please note balls were kept at OOB finishes.

Oil Pattern: All of the new bowling balls were thrown on a THS. The shot can be played in the middle, in the track, or on the outside part near 10 (2nd arrow). Just another "great wall of china" of course but I definitely saw some differences in the equipment and a few of them maybe a surprise to you.

HAMMER JIGSAW

I drilled the JIGSAW with a 60 degree MB and a 5" pin placement, with my axis being 4 1/2" over by 1/2" up that put the Pin at 12 o'clock with the MB just a few inches away from the thumb.

What I expected: Very continuous with strong roll yet still enough energy left to make the corner back into the pocket.

What I observed: Playing direct with the track line having oil to spare, I got great hold with a continuous backend motion. It was not very flippy but I did have decent angle to the pocket. As I played deeper and slowed my speed down I noticed the Jigsaw start to run out of energy and not even turn the corner which was kind of disappointing to me; however, when I moved over to the left gutter cap and played 4th (middle) and 5th arrow sending the ball out to around 2nd arrow (10), it made a comeback which was very surprising to me despite the lack thereof playing in the middle and inside the track area.

Conclusion: To me, throwing the Jigsaw with some oil on the lanes, is when you will see the benefits of having the ball in your arsenal. The ball to me was very iffy when the carry down became imminent. When playing the inside part of the lane, I left a lot of 2-8-10s, 2-4-8-10s and there such.

BLACK WIDOW STING

I drilled the Sting with the same layout as the Jigsaw afore mentioned above. The goal behind laying both of these bowling balls out with the same layout was to see the separation between the core and coverstock combinations.

What I expected: Not as strong as the Jigsaw but still playable enough to have the backend reaction to enter the right angle into the pocket.

What I observed: If the ball hit the dry too soon, this ball was an over reacting monster. The very surprising and refreshing thing about the Sting is that it gave me a continuous motion yet still had the pop on the backend I was expecting. To me the Sting did not quit whereas the Jigsaw did and as the shot broke down it became even more predictable to play with. When I moved semi deep, which for me is standing between 30-35 and aiming between 20 and 15 getting it outside of 10, to me was more ball reaction than the Jigsaw, which was very weird to say the least. Yet when I moved over the deepest I could, the Sting showed me where its weakness was in comparison to the Jigsaw as it used too much energy to make the move back while the Jigsaw did giving me the separation between the two.

Conclusion: I feel the Sting can be used on a heavier volume of oil and could give a better look than the Jigsaw if the Jigsaw is not turning the corner. I do feel also that the Sting gave me a better look playing in the middle of the lane to the track line (at 15).

RAW HAMMER BURN

I drilled this ball with a 4 3/4" Pin Above the Ring Finger with the CG slightly kicked out but not enough to make the weights over an ounce, so no weight hole was necessary.

What I expected: Just as the specs said, a coverstock that was very skid/snap and flippy.

What I observed: Since its inception back in June I have got that skid snap motion. The BURN is a very predictable ball and can be used on a fresh house shot all the way down to when the heads start to break down. With my style, I tend to play more straighter as the lanes transistion through the night and this was no different during this practice session. The BURN benefited me the most while playing the track area (15) and straight up 8 with a change of hand position also. The BURN never died out and the only disadvantage of the BURN is when it skids just a little bit past the break point as I had my fair share of washout and bucket leaves. I personally feel this was due to high ball speed and lack there of revs.

Conclusion: The BURN to me is the benchmark ball out of the new line of Hammer products and one I see myself using the most for the season but however, the Onyx Vibe could very well take the place of that statement very soon. If you thought some of the stuff you are reading is a surprise, you may not believe what I have to say about the Onyx Vibe.

ONYX VIBE

My philosophy with both of the VIBEs I have drilled (Emerald and Onyx) were to drill them with 5" Pins above the fingers. Being what my axis is, it gives me the pin at 12 o'clock. I prefer to not want a weight hole so I put the CG just below the fingers or in the midgrip depending upon pin placement location.

What I expected: Very early, smooth, and stronger overall than the Emerald Vibe. I also expected a ball that I could use once the heads broke down and did not have to worry about over reaction!

What I observed: VERY VERY DECEIVING and surprsing ball reaction. When I say that I mean the Onyx is a very aggressive piece. The market here and how the oil patterns are set up in the six houses we have to bowl at, the lower end stuff makes quite the statement here! I saw a very strong ball motion, very archy and aggressive ball roll to the pocket without loss of energy. On the fresh, I saw the look of the Onyx Vibe being even stronger overall than the JIGSAW and even the Sting! I know that may sound shocking to some of you, needless to say, it definitely threw me for a loop. I finally found the weakness in the ball when playing the deepest shot I could (left gutter cap) and it left an ugly washout versus where the Jigsaw made the turn on the corner.

The Onyx is probably the one ball I under estimated the most while practicing today and one I enjoyed using the most because it was the most consistent ball reaction I saw the whole day. I also need to throw in how versatile of lines I was playing with the ball too. If you read in the Jigsaw part of my post where I talked about playing in the track and the middle of the lane that the Jigsaw lost its energy and never turned the corner..well with the Onyx, one of the surprises was seeing it cut through the nose playing these lines with the ball. It is going to be a toss up which ball comes out of the bag first between the Onyx and BURN. I am very impressed with the price point of this series and how much performance really comes into this piece. Having the CT reactive coverstock on a VIBE ball as stated above is a very deceiving notion.

Conclusion: Very versatile, can play the middle, track area, and up the 8 board with this ball all with the right change of hand position also.

My grades for the new products are as follows:

Jigsaw: B-
Black Widow Sting: B+
Burn: A-
Onyx Vibe: A+

The Jigsaw gets the bill for the strongest and earliest reaction.
The BURN gets the bill for the longest and most backend reaction.
The Black Widow Sting gets the bill for being the dark horse.
The Onyx Vibe gets the bill for the most under estimated and deceiving ball reaction shape (which is a positive do not get me wrong!).

I hope this helps you all with your choosing of the new Hammer line, I feel this is going to be a great start for HAMMERHEADS everywhere this season! Thank you and God Bless You All!

I would love to hear what type of reactions all of you that have drilled these pieces got as well as I'm sure some may or may not agree with my statements.

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Big Jake

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Re: New Hammer Equipment Observations
« Reply #1 on: August 03, 2009, 09:08:40 AM »
Thanks Michael, I appreciate this and all I can say is WOW! about the ONYX VIBE.
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Re: New Hammer Equipment Observations
« Reply #2 on: August 03, 2009, 12:16:39 PM »
great report on the new balls. i have every vibe but the cherry and i end up using them alot. the vibes are looked over alot. but those who use them with most know they are great balls and score well in league. thank you for the reviews.

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Re: New Hammer Equipment Observations
« Reply #3 on: August 03, 2009, 12:33:52 PM »
Gosh, now I'm really happy I picked up the Burn and the Onyx Vibe.  Bought them on a whim from tekneek (great seller, by the way), and they should be arriving soon.  I had intended them to be my THS balls for this fall's league.


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« Reply #4 on: August 03, 2009, 01:11:15 PM »
Just ordered the ONYX VIBE and I'll pick it up tonight and try it out tomorrow night in league.

It was a toss up 'tween the BURN and ONYX...ONYX won!
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Re: New Hammer Equipment Observations
« Reply #5 on: August 03, 2009, 01:41:06 PM »
Wow surprising observations! Im still debating on what new pieces to get. Now I have thrown the onyx, sting, and jigsaw(granted the jigsaw & sting are drilled left handed stacked lev.), the onyx was the most impressive piece. Alot of people including my proshop guy told me I need to buy the jigsaw, but we dont have that much oil, but playing the deep inside line is my strength and I can see myself throwing this ball. Now when i threw the saw, it burn up and rolled out pretty bad but i wasnt surprise. If i get this ball it will be polished.  The Sting reminds me of the Bite and BWS. The roll and reaction is similar to  the Bite and the backend reaction off the dry is like the BWS. Ive had success with the widow line but only with the BWS. BWP was bad match-up, Bite lost reaction and crack somehow, and didnt want the Venom. Now the Onyx is very strong. I was even shocked how the ball reaction is. Very archy yet aggressive. I can see this being my benchmark ball for the THS.  Can i drill this ball mild so i can try to play more down and in?
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Re: New Hammer Equipment Observations
« Reply #6 on: August 03, 2009, 06:57:43 PM »
MrHurt,

I have no idea what your axis point is but take this into account..I drilled the Emerald and Onyx with 5" Pins which with my axis places the Pin at 12 o'clock. Check with your pro shop operator to find your PAP (positive axis point) and have it drilled with a 5" pin or maybe even 5 1/2" and I'm sure you will be shocked at how much the ONYX will still work for you. I'm giving some thought to drilling one up with a 6" to 6 1/4" just to see how it would work. Will let you guys know how it goes if I decide to do so. MrHurt, all the best to you and let us know how it works if you go with the layout you are looking into. God Bless You All!

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Re: New Hammer Equipment Observations
« Reply #7 on: August 04, 2009, 12:22:04 AM »
GetOffMe10Pin,

If the house you bowl at puts down a heavier/thicker volume of head oil, I really feel the Jigsaw is the ball. This ball is just killer with some head oil...did another practice session tonight...got a better look now at how the Jigsaw out did the ONYX performance wise..but don't let what I say take anything away from the ONYX! This ball is surprisingly strong...even one customer of mine I drilled one up for came in asking me to drill him something weaker after throwing his ONYX...

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BURN is very very angular.  For me, I think this ball will have to keep a 4000 with Snake Oil (also have tried UFO over top of snake oil) for a THS.  BUT, I think since my Psycho and NVD are go-to pieces, I think i'll put some surface on the BURN in case I run into some decently heavy oil.  But for the THS nights where the machine runs the pattern a little thicker/longer I should be able to pull this ball out when Psycho isn't quite getting up the hill enough.  The great thing about this ball is that it may allow me to open the lane up when nothing appears to really be there.......
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Re: New Hammer Equipment Observations
« Reply #8 on: August 10, 2009, 11:30:15 PM »
Hey HAMMERHEADS!

Figured I would post some updated observations and information.

Jigsaw: My final conclusion is that this ball is a wonderful piece to have in the bag if the shot you normally have has a thick amount of units in the middle or a puddle.

Sting: A great compliment to when the Jigsaw starts to burn up and the lower end stuff won't turn the corner for you. This is definitely the under utilized ball in the bag, do not be afraid to use this one if you are unsure about the reactions of your other equipment in the bag.

Burn: Just an awesome benchmark ball and the first one to be pulled from the bag to test out how much hold, how much room outside I have and to give me a look to see how the night is going to be.

ONYX: This ball will completely rule for you on a THS. After practicing with this one the most tonight and considering how the lanes were playing (i.e. get it outside it comes back to the pocket, tug it in the track area and it holds) this reaction made the results look sick for me...this is going to be a winner guys...one of the best complete THS balls to have in the bag. Aggressive performance without the expensive price tag!

Well guys..will talk more as the season draws further near..if you have any questions..just ask me..and I'll help you out the best way I can...

God Bless You All!

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Re: New Hammer Equipment Observations
« Reply #9 on: August 12, 2009, 10:25:23 AM »
Steve,
Do you really need the burn and the Onyx vibe, are they that close ?
I was going to punch out both, maybe drill the Onyx for more length and
the Burn with label drill as a benchmark. Your thoughts. For reference,
I throw around 15 1/2 mph, considered a tweener, and dropping to 14 this
year to gain more speed, since houses around here are around the drier
side.

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Re: New Hammer Equipment Observations
« Reply #10 on: August 12, 2009, 10:35:51 AM »
quote:
Steve,
Do you really need the burn and the Onyx vibe, are they that close ?
I was going to punch out both, maybe drill the Onyx for more length and
the Burn with label drill as a benchmark. Your thoughts. For reference,
I throw around 15 1/2 mph, considered a tweener, and dropping to 14 this
year to gain more speed, since houses around here are around the drier
side.





It's a common misconception that you'll automatically gain ball speed when you drop weight.  Generally it's not the case.  Not only that, but a 14# ball thrown at the same speed as a 15# ball will commonly start reading the lane earlier since it looses momentum faster than the heavier ball.

I don't think dropping weight is the answer you're looking for.

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Re: New Hammer Equipment Observations
« Reply #11 on: August 12, 2009, 10:37:37 AM »
How would you compare the sting to the black widow bite.I have a bite and really like that ball.

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Re: New Hammer Equipment Observations
« Reply #12 on: August 12, 2009, 12:16:20 PM »
Dan,

When the ONYX has been iffy (and since I've punched it up, thats been a rare few times) the BURN has been the ball to go to. It definitely helps my confidence in knowing I have options when one may not be enough and one is too much. You might be onto something with the layouts you specified however, remember that drilling a ball label is all relative to your axis point..what is one layout axis wise to you may not be to others. Most label layouts tend to burn up in the heads (no pun intended) and not have as much backend. My rebuttal to that is why take away the characteristics of what the ball is designed to do? In cases though I understand it is necessary but if the ball is designed for one thing then I'm going to drill it based on that type of reaction. I would love to hear your findings of those two in comparison to the layouts you specified for better understanding also.

Finally, in the case of dropping to a 14#...before doing that, I would keep your 15#s and try adjusting your hand positioning as a simple tip to see if you can combat the lack thereof oil before dropping.

Hope this helps! Thanks and God Bless!

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quote:
Steve,
Do you really need the burn and the Onyx vibe, are they that close ?
I was going to punch out both, maybe drill the Onyx for more length and
the Burn with label drill as a benchmark. Your thoughts. For reference,
I throw around 15 1/2 mph, considered a tweener, and dropping to 14 this
year to gain more speed, since houses around here are around the drier
side.

Thanks,
Dan
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Re: New Hammer Equipment Observations
« Reply #13 on: August 12, 2009, 12:24:38 PM »
Tim G,

The Sting is alot more flippier on the backend than the Bite was for me. The Bite had more mid lane read and a smoother arcing reaction. I know I had a different layout on the Bite than what I used on the Sting but I truly feel even if both had the same layout that the Sting would still pop more on the backend for myself. Hope this helps! Thanks and God Bless!

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How would you compare the sting to the black widow bite.I have a bite and really like that ball.

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Edited on 8/12/2009 12:26 PM
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Re: New Hammer Equipment Observations
« Reply #14 on: August 12, 2009, 12:35:39 PM »
just wanted to add that ive seen the jigsaw in action, on some nasty stuff including a 54 ft flat shot last week and i was very impressed. i have had a virtual gravity for about two months now and the jigsaw from what i saw i on the same class motion wise as the vg. it tends to roll up early in the lane but still retains enough energy to have some pop on the back. with 54 ft of oil, nothing is gonna hook much, but the guy had a great look. i was very impressed with the look he was getting. havent had a hammer since the bite, but i will give them props, their new stuff looks and rolls great from what ive seen.
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