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JCLives

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No Mercy Tracking Issues???
« on: December 24, 2006, 07:09:33 AM »
Has anyone noticed they track lower than normal when using the No Mercy? The reason I ask is because my track is alot lower with this ball. Since I track lower my PAP has changed. I have the number #1 drilling which really puts the pin too close to my PAP for optimal results. I shoot well with the ball but... I think if I had the pin above my bridge the ball would respond even better. This may be the reason some people do not match up well with this ball. I'll probably punch another one up but I wanted to see what others thought. Comments?

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Mike James

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Re: No Mercy Tracking Issues???
« Reply #1 on: December 24, 2006, 03:22:54 PM »
Its Junk....a DUD!!!
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Wallshot

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Re: No Mercy Tracking Issues???
« Reply #2 on: December 24, 2006, 04:00:01 PM »
The NM does indeed move one's track a bit lower, but wouldn't one think that Hammers R&D discovered this early on in "beta" testing and would have suggested taking this into account when recommending drill patterns? Since they did not (i.e. Hammer says to drill the hart in your track, not a quarter inch, etc, lower) and most people who have drilled the ball correctly for their game have nothing but good things to say about the ball (including myself who has shot league scores of 300, 289 and 279 with the NM in a two and a half week time span)makes me think that the lowering of the track is simply the dynamics of the ball in play....kind of a nature of the beast.

I even drilled a big old axis hole in mine the other day to get the gross weight down to 14.9 from 14.14. We took a 12" --1 1/4" bit and drilled almost through the entire ball. I was worried that it might alter the dynamic reaction of the ball as we've done this before and it's a bit of a crap shoot. Sometimes, because of the enhanced mass bias that the hole creates I'll get a great reaction while at other times it kills the ball. At any rate, I tried the ball out in the Friday scratch league and the mega x-hole caused the NM to rev up like a Ferrari powered by jet fuel. I started the first game out with 7 in a row and two people from other teams came over asking what I was throwing. They both literally went up on the approach area RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE GAME and inspected the ball. This unnerved me a bit and I ended up throwing a 268, but the point is THIS BALL IS UNIQUE AND A MONSTER WHEN DRILLED CORRECTLY.

I do not think that the lowering of the track is a factor if the ball isn't performing satisfactorily. In fact, I think if the hart is relatively close to the track your going to see good results. Some peoples game just doesn't match up with certain equipment.

The NM has gotten a bad rap--one of the guys that came up during league to ask what I was throwing responded with this after I told him I was using a NM and had been for the past 3 1/2 weeks: "But I heard that ball was a turd".LOL!!!!WHATEVER!!!! Well. it's gotten me a 300 and I'm #9 in average in that league out of 70 scratch bowlers. Gee, I'd be killin' 'em if I wasn't using a "turd" for a ball, wouldn't I?



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ejwissner

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Re: No Mercy Tracking Issues???
« Reply #3 on: December 24, 2006, 04:04:46 PM »
I can understand how track rings 2, 3, 4, ..., N may be different from one ball to another based on coverstock, core, and layout.  But wouldn't the first ring (the first revolution as the ball leaves your hand) be the same if you are throwing with the same release (axis tilt, rotation, etc)?

Isn't that first track ring what is used to determine PAP?
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sammy the sage

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Re: No Mercy Tracking Issues???
« Reply #4 on: December 24, 2006, 04:10:06 PM »
yes...my track's lower also...however shoot 300 one house and 289 at another...terrific carry...

by the way....lower track will help you get through heads cleaner w/more left for the back...hmmm

did have to too take surface down to 2000 from 4000....NO polish
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Re: No Mercy Tracking Issues???
« Reply #5 on: December 24, 2006, 04:16:21 PM »
yes my track is a bit lower with the no mercy but it is my favorite ball as of right now.funny thing is my track is even lower with my black widow,must be the dynanics of the core/drill.
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JCLives

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Re: No Mercy Tracking Issues???
« Reply #6 on: December 24, 2006, 06:14:25 PM »
Wallshot,

Please don't misunderstand I do like the NM. I have shot well with the ball. Several high 700 series and no lower than a 600. However, I get a strong arc with the ball. Not the big back end people have described. My black widow actually hooks more. When I checked my PAP with the pin placement I was at 2". To me this is more of a control layout. My hart placement is about an 1" left of my thumb. My first track ring barley touches the hart and about 2.75" away from the finger. So I was wondering if I drilled another pin over bridge would I get more recovery on the back end?
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Re: No Mercy Tracking Issues???
« Reply #7 on: December 24, 2006, 08:47:02 PM »
The pap you use to layout your ball is more appropriately called your INITIAL positive axis point.This point is the same on every ball you throw.Most weightblocks other than a pancake pull the track away fom the holes.You always layout with this initial point.
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Re: No Mercy Tracking Issues???
« Reply #8 on: December 24, 2006, 09:14:59 PM »
I haven't bowled league in about eight years and I went out and purchased a No Mercy from the pro shop. He drilled it in #2. I'm not sure what that means but I've never had a hook like this and I'm just a stroker. I have no idea what Pap means or any of the other drilling stuff. Back in the 90's I had a Blue fabal hammer but when I went in league this year it was like a cement dud so thats when I decided to upgrade. I'm really surprised at the upgrade of equipment over the years and i'm trying to soak in all the comments from all the bowlers all over the country. I always liked my old Hammer so i'm going to stick with their equipment, now if anybody can tell me how to not leave the 10 pin I will be at their mercy...Merry Christmas...
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Re: No Mercy Tracking Issues???
« Reply #9 on: December 24, 2006, 09:41:26 PM »
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Wallshot,

Please don't misunderstand I do like the NM. I have shot well with the ball. Several high 700 series and no lower than a 600. However, I get a strong arc with the ball. Not the big back end people have described. My black widow actually hooks more. When I checked my PAP with the pin placement I was at 2". To me this is more of a control layout. My hart placement is about an 1" left of my thumb. My first track ring barley touches the hart and about 2.75" away from the finger. So I was wondering if I drilled another pin over bridge would I get more recovery on the back end?
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My NM from day one was a heavy reving arcing ball, unlike the BW which has a skid/snap reaction with very little if any midlane read. So, I'm not sure what you're looking for in the NM vs. the BW? To me, they are two different animals. The NM flips over after midlane while the BW goes about 58 feet and makes a uturn (an exaggeration but you get my point).

I have two BW's (one oob-pin above bridge 5" from pap, mb just right of thumb and the other at 2000 abralon-pin above ring that is much smoother/arcing than the oob even though the pin is in a stronger position the mb is about 3 1/2 inches right of the thumb causing a smoother overall reaction especially with the 2000 grit surface) and only one NM. So, when you say you get a "strong arc" with the NM that's exactly what I get and is all I know about how the ball should react. While the BW is much more condition specific I seem to be able to use the NM on a variety of conditons with good results.

After drilling the x-hole the NM flips into such a strong roll that after the first time I threw it I muttered to myself "Holy Crap!". I thought it reved up hard before but now it's just plain sick.

Here's my layout:
http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/9056/nmdrillinglm8.jpg



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Wallshot

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« Reply #10 on: December 24, 2006, 10:43:00 PM »
Boy, I couldn't disagree more. I've shelved my BW's in favor of the NM. It's the first ball out of the bag and I find it hard to believe that my driller and I just happened to get the drilling right as if it were a fluke. We followed Hammers instructions and the info gleaned off this site and the results were nothing short of stellar.

I threw mostly Brunswick last year, but after buying a Doom it's been all Hammer ever since. Results this season: 2-sanctioned 300's; 795/782; Averages: 236, 224, 223. High 4 game set in league 1054 (Masters league).

I loved Hammer in the urethane days of the 80's and am lovin' it again.



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Re: No Mercy Tracking Issues???
« Reply #11 on: December 24, 2006, 11:18:58 PM »
You know, I've noticed that I've been tracking low with my Black Widow but not with my other balls. It's weird, but it works just as well. Strange, but a-ok.
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JCLives

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Re: No Mercy Tracking Issues???
« Reply #12 on: December 25, 2006, 09:50:36 AM »
quote:

After drilling the x-hole the NM flips into such a strong roll that after the first time I threw it I muttered to myself "Holy Crap!". I thought it reved up hard before but now it's just plain sick.

Here's my layout:
http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/9056/nmdrillinglm8.jpg



Edited on 12/24/2006 10:45 PM


If you don't mind can you post a picture showing the weight hole you drilled? Thanks.

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Re: No Mercy Tracking Issues???
« Reply #13 on: December 25, 2006, 09:59:15 AM »
IMO you can't compare the no mercy to the widow.the no mercy needs some oil in the heads and the widow has great length for a solid ball.the no mercy starts up in the mids where the widow almost has no mid lane read.the backends for both balls are about the same for me but if I can use the no mercy then my widow won't get dirty.
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Wallshot

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Re: No Mercy Tracking Issues???
« Reply #14 on: December 25, 2006, 01:06:07 PM »
Here's a pic of the x-hole. I placed a standard length steak knife in the hole to give some perspective. The hole is roughly 6 1/2 inches deep. It's perfectly legal as there is no regulation restricting the depth of any hole only the circumference. The statics came out to 1/2 negative, almost zero top (fingers are drilled deep), 1/4 bottom and no finger.


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