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Gene J Kanak

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Onyx layout questions
« on: May 28, 2009, 05:59:23 AM »
Good day,

I just placed an order for two NIB Onyx Vibes because I think they have the potential to be very good balls for me at nationals; however, I'm trying to decide how best to lay them out to give me the separation and difference in shot shape I'm looking for.

First off, I'm a RH two-handed player. As such, my speed and revs are in the above average range. Here is the 6-ball lineup I'm thinking of bringing to the open championships:

Virtual Gravity (2000 abralon)
Black Widow Bite (4000 abralon)
Onyx 1
Onyx 2
Chainsaw Massacre (box)
Tuff

The Onyx is supposed to provide a firm grip of the midlane and strong, continuous backend. What I want is for Onyx 1 to be a medium condition benchmark piece, one that grabs the midlane quickly and offers a very mellow reaction down the lane. Ideally, Onyx 2 will go a little bit longer and offer a slightly quicker response. I don't want it flippy by any means, just a tad quicker off the spot.

If I can set those two up as indicated, I think it will give me a nice, even degree of stepdown throughout my arsenal. The question is how do I lay them out and/or prep them to get the reactions I'm seeking?

My first incling was to drill them the same and simply knock the factory shine off of Onyx 1. Logic would tell me that would make it read earlier and be smoother, but will that create enough difference to make it worthwhile? Even if I prep them that way, should I use different drillings to increase the difference between the two? Don't get me wrong. I want them to be somewhat close in reaction, but I don't want them to be too close. That is why I'm asking for help from the drilling experts among you. Let me know what you think, and I'll be forever grateful. Thanks!
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Re: Onyx layout questions
« Reply #16 on: May 31, 2009, 10:54:01 PM »
Two of my favorite layouts to compliment each other are:
Pin below bridge, cg (MB) 45* from center of grip.  That would probably be too much backend for you though, so I would just kick the cg out enough to not need an x-hole.

The second would be a 5" pin up (above ring) with a 60* MB, x-hole on axis.

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Re: Onyx layout questions
« Reply #17 on: June 01, 2009, 01:13:26 PM »
So how would anyone ever layout a ball without theorizing about it before they bought it?  If no one does the thought work ahead of time how will anyone drill it up ever?  Who cares how far away the release date is, it's a great lead time for the companies to create buzz about a ball.

And why is every review ever a figjam for some people?  Even if the review completely destroys the ball someone will be right behind them to say how good it is.  There are no bad balls so how many bad reviews should there be?


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Re: Onyx layout questions
« Reply #18 on: June 01, 2009, 01:45:02 PM »
Everyone that is saying "he's only looking for general ideas" obviously has no clue whatsoever what goes into laying out a ball for someone.  Without seeing him bowl, knowing his axis and other such vital information jsut giving him numbers is completely useless.  To 67 giving him to opposite Dual-Angle Layouts does him no use.  Number 1 that core is so simple there's no need to get that in depth.  Number 2 getting the total of the 2 angles at 90 could be the worst thing ever for him.  

I'm just amazed at home many people come on here and give arbitrary information on layouts thinking that they are actually helping someone out, especially when everyone just "stacks it" or drill it "leverage."

Gene go a your proshop guy and talk to him.  It'll be a lot better for you than reading arbitrary numbers on here.  The best advice in this thread were from the people that told you the surface adjustment would make the difference your looking for, because on such a simple symetric core, unless you go extremes on layout WONT matter much.

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Re: Onyx layout questions
« Reply #19 on: June 01, 2009, 11:23:01 PM »
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Riiiiiiiiiiight lets take a ball that not many have thrown yet, buy 2 and ask for layout suggestions on a website full of people that have never seen you bowl, for you to take to nationals.... Maybe you should ask someone to also throw the ball for you

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I understand what your saying.  However, it doesn't matter that we have not seen the ball in action or that we haven't seen him roll a ball.  What were basically discussing is layout theory.




How do you discuss a layout theory on a ball that for the most part nobody knows anything about. You might as well ask how to layout the new ball that Hammer is comming out with next year.

Quite frankly its getting annoying seeing all these lame reviews on stuff that some proshops cant even order for another 3 weeks. Not to mention that the reviews are generally usless figjams just to show that they have a new ball before anyone else.
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It doesn't matter what ball were talking about is my point.  The theory is based on using the same layout on multiple bowling balls and letting the covers and cores separate the reactions.

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Re: Onyx layout questions
« Reply #20 on: June 07, 2009, 07:31:13 AM »
Thanks to all who replied.
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Re: Onyx layout questions
« Reply #21 on: June 07, 2009, 10:20:02 AM »
i drilled mine label leverage   its a great bench mark pattern i would give that a try