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Plague is Sick!!!
« on: May 21, 2010, 12:32:28 PM »
Today at USBC Nationals in Reno, Bill Monce, Hammer's Midwest District Sales Manager, had 783 in team event with the Plague!  Ball was drilled with a 5 1/2" pin, and a mass bias kicked just right of the thumb hole.  Pin ended up just left of the centerline above the fingers.  No extra hole.  Out of the box at our 500/1000/2000 grit 3-stage finish.  Phenomenal score for USBC Team event!  This ball is sick!
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Re: Plague is Sick!!!
« Reply #1 on: May 21, 2010, 08:45:22 PM »
Hammer has become the superior Ebonite family company for some time now. Don't throw much Hammer, but what I've tried has been extremely impressive. The sale of Hammer equipment in my area compared to others isn't close right now.
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Re: Plague is Sick!!!
« Reply #2 on: May 21, 2010, 11:09:05 PM »
Very good news! The new ball is the best yet... Imagine that...
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« Reply #3 on: May 21, 2010, 11:38:30 PM »
You know I agree.. Just drilled up and having a blast rolling it down the lane.. Jeff, you're a bad bad bad HAMMER DUDE..So much to choose from...now I dont know what to do...OH YEAH..On to my GRIND>>>>>>>>..
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Re: Plague is Sick!!!
« Reply #4 on: May 21, 2010, 11:44:04 PM »
Jeff,

 Not questioning whether the ball is great or not, cause it probably is, just questioning the use of a ball in a NATIONAL tournament that isn't even available to the public yet.

 A great score shot by a good bowler, no doubt, but maybe he had an advantage that nobody in the general public will be able to have by using a ball thats not been released to the public.

 It may have been in bad taste for AN EMPLOYEE to use something not available to everyone yet, even if it IS legal. Heck, its not even scheduled for release until JULY 13th, NINE DAYS AFTER THE TOURNAMENT IS OVER, is it? So NOBODY will have access to it except for employees of the company, right?

 No, I know it isn't the first time its happened, just the first time I thought of it like this. As many great balls as Hammer has out there, shouldn't ya'll use something that is readily available?

 What do the rest of you guys think? Fair and O.K., or not?
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Re: Plague is Sick!!!
« Reply #5 on: May 21, 2010, 11:52:10 PM »
J..

Honestly I am on the fence. I do agree whith your points and disagree. As a bowler, you should be able to use anything that is approved for use by USBC. It should never depend on what the masses dictate. I looked at it like this. What if I had a ball I used at Nationals that was only released in Singapore? What if only a handful had the ball here in the states? Would we deem that as unfair or in poor taste....
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Re: Plague is Sick!!!
« Reply #6 on: May 22, 2010, 12:08:23 AM »
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J..

Honestly I am on the fence. I do agree whith your points and disagree. As a bowler, you should be able to use anything that is approved for use by USBC. It should never depend on what the masses dictate. I looked at it like this. What if I had a ball I used at Nationals that was only released in Singapore? What if only a handful had the ball here in the states? Would we deem that as unfair or in poor taste....


 Balls have to be USBC approved to be used in official competition. A ball only released in Singapore would, most likely, NOT fit that desription. And, is being approved by the USBC enough, or should they also require it to have been available to the public as well?

 Not really saying if it was or wasn't wrong, just wondering if it was in good taste for a REPRESENTATIVE OF THE COMPANY to use something nobody else can yet. That isn't really LIMITED availability, it almost amounts to EXCLUSIVE availability, doesn't it?

 It really doesn't matter how many actually HAVE a ball, but whether it was even available for the TO have in the first place.

 That might create more ill will than good among bowlers who feel it wasn't/isn't fair, eh?
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Re: Plague is Sick!!!
« Reply #7 on: May 22, 2010, 12:13:36 AM »
I know that the ball companies want you to think that it was purely the ball that shot that score so everyone will run out and buy it. Obviously this is a very talented person and I am sure that the ball is very good to but do you really think that he had a reaction with that ball that could not be found with any other ball in existence. In my opinion he did not have an advantage over anyone else that has or will bowl Nationals.

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« Reply #8 on: May 22, 2010, 12:19:09 AM »
Two words... Genius Marketing. Building anticipation with the release of a totally new product and i must say great advertising on JU's part. Kind of a gray area whether or not it is ethical for someone to throw a ball that isn't available to the public. However, if it were available, what are the odds that people there would have it? Drilled to be usable? And end up actually bowling well with it? A lot more variables in this than you think. And on another note, whose to say that someone else with a different ball couldn't get a similar look to Mr. Monce? I mean as they say, there is no "MAGIC" bowling ball....
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Re: Plague is Sick!!!
« Reply #9 on: May 22, 2010, 01:40:32 AM »
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I know that the ball companies want you to think that it was purely the ball that shot that score so everyone will run out and buy it. Obviously this is a very talented person and I am sure that the ball is very good to but do you really think that he had a reaction with that ball that could not be found with any other ball in existence. In my opinion he did not have an advantage over anyone else that has or will bowl Nationals.


 Well, if the highlighted part is correct, why use it instead of one that's available to the general public that gave him this same look?

 
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Two words... Genius Marketing. Building anticipation with the release of a totally new product and i must say great advertising on JU's part. Kind of a gray area whether or not it is ethical for someone to throw a ball that isn't available to the public. However, if it were available, what are the odds that people there would have it? Drilled to be usable? And end up actually bowling well with it? A lot more variables in this than you think. And on another note, whose to say that someone else with a different ball couldn't get a similar look to Mr. Monce? I mean as they say, there is no "MAGIC" bowling ball....


 Yeah, I get all of that. And, Mr. Monce is undoubtedly talented. You don't shoot scores like that without SOME skills.

 Not about Mr. Monce OR his skill as neither of those are at question. What is at question was whether Mr. Monce should be using a ball at a national competition where the equipment he used ISN'T EVEN AVAILABLE to a large majority of the rest of the competitors?

 Yes, I know it is completely legal, AND it may be genius marketing, just wondered what you guys would think about it.

 Seems like the ones who've replied so far have been o.k. with it.
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Re: Plague is Sick!!!
« Reply #10 on: May 22, 2010, 01:52:19 AM »
I don't see whats wrong with it, its not like a bowling ball in this day is truly revolutionary and can do something that gives you such an advantage that it would be unethical to use it. It just doesn't make sense, the bowler obviously did very well and he just happened to be using a new piece, and a little earlier than you can, is it a problem to you that the Pro's have the new balls a few weeks before you do, is that such a big problem?
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Re: Plague is Sick!!!
« Reply #11 on: May 22, 2010, 03:09:00 AM »
I agree with you Juggernaut.  Not really an issue, that needs to be looked into, argued or debated, but I do agree it was a poor judgment call on Hammer's part.
Smart business and good marketing? ... probably.

I'm more curious of the fact, whether or not he really used the same ball for all 3 games.
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Re: Plague is Sick!!!
« Reply #12 on: May 22, 2010, 06:24:51 AM »
Do you believe the hype? If you honestly think someone has a unfair advantage throwing a ball that hasn't been released to everyone else.
 
That would be like saying this ball must be great and will change bowling scores as we know it.

Many bowling balls by USA companies are released strictly overseas and never make it here. They are USBC approved. Many people from those countries also come to the USA to bowl this tournament.

So does that level the playing field?
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« Reply #13 on: May 22, 2010, 06:49:48 AM »
I agree with Juggernaut.  I don't think it was the right thing to do.
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Re: Plague is Sick!!!
« Reply #14 on: May 22, 2010, 08:05:02 AM »
Same thing happens at PBA events every week/weekend during the season. Staffer/employees bowl in events that YOU and I are eligible to enter. They sometimes use bowling balls that aren't released to the general public yet.

For some reason, instead of people asking if it's right for them to be throwing them, you get threads saying "did you see Billy O. throwing the new Black Widow Nasty? I can't wait for that ball to come out!"

It goes on every new release period in tournaments and leagues. No big deal. Nothing to be questioned, just good marketing on a big stage.
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