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Question on Psycho vs. Emerald
« on: October 02, 2008, 03:20:17 AM »
I have drilled up an Emerald for my son with pin over bridge which is about 5" from his pap.  He is more rev dominant and is currently bowling in the collegiate sector which has been on the drier side for him.  The Emerald is his "dry lane" ball so he gets some length out of it but when it hits friction it makes a left turn.  I was up at the pro shop last night and they suggested the Psycho saying that with the same drill it would get similar length but would not be as aggressive on the back.  It would give him more of a controllable arc rather than a hard snap.  I'm looking for any real world comparisons or any other suggestions.  Thanks for any insight you can provide.
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Re: Question on Psycho vs. Emerald
« Reply #1 on: October 02, 2008, 04:48:08 PM »
my experience is mostly with the emarald vibe. my friend just got one pin over bridge CG out slightly. he can play up the dry on a used house shot no problem. when i see people use the psycho it is VERY angular. alot of people take some polish off. at junior gold this year on the short 35', there was a two handed kid bowling on my pair using the psycho and he really had to work to keep his ball speed up to use that ball.

if you want to go weaker i would go with the rayzor, doug kent drilled one for his son jake for junior gold and it looked really good. it was even stronger enough if jake wanted to play somewhere around second arrow on the medium 41' pattern. it was very smooth when it started to roll. which is always good for sport. my blue vibe is my best sport ball and its drilled the number 4 drilling:

Drilling #4 - Low RG Layout
Ball Motion: E arly hook with smooth arc
Lane Condition: Fresh backends and Wet/Dry
Flare Potential: Low
Pin Placement: Place pin at 1 - 2��� from the positive axis point (PAP)
Balance Hole: If needed, place balance hole at 4 - 5��� from the center of span on a line through the center of gravity.
 

something like that, its hard to show, i wish i had a camera lol. i would recommend that layout for every ball on a sport shot. its the smoothest i have ever seen and it doesnt over-react at all. great for reading the lane.
 
or another option is to either changed the drill/surface on the green vibe.
what school does he go to, im a freshman at sacred heart university in fairfield,CT
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Re: Question on Psycho vs. Emerald
« Reply #2 on: October 02, 2008, 07:56:17 PM »
Both balls are going to be fairly strong in the back end.  If he wants length and not too strong backend, get a RAZYR.  If it doesnt have to be Hammer, the Avalance Pearl would be ideal.
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Re: Question on Psycho vs. Emerald
« Reply #3 on: October 02, 2008, 09:37:18 PM »
Has he changed the surface at all?  I love Hammers equipment, but OOB most are set up to be backend boomers.  Assuming he hasn't changed the surface, he should probably take the surface down to 2000 Abralon.  This will allow the ball to read the midlane better, bleed some energy and tame down the backend somewhat.

Another thing you could look at is side weight.  Reducing the positive side weight will tame down the backend as well.

I don't own an Emerald vibe, but have thrown one.  Side by side with the Psycho in OOB finish, the vibe is a touch more on the back than the Psycho.  But, I don't think it is enough to drill them exactly the same see a noticeable difference.  

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Re: Question on Psycho vs. Emerald
« Reply #4 on: October 05, 2008, 12:32:06 PM »
Thank you all for your responses.  I'm not sure I know how to respond with quotes but I'm going to give it a try

 
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if you want to go weaker i would go with the rayzor, doug kent drilled one for his son jake for junior gold and it looked really good. it was even stronger enough if jake wanted to play somewhere around second arrow on the medium 41' pattern. it was very smooth when it started to roll. which is always good for sport. my blue vibe is my best sport ball and its drilled the number 4 drilling:  
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I will take a look at The Rayzor.  If the lanes dry up too much for a down and in shot how well does the Rayzor carry when you move deeper being it has a pancake weight block?  I was thinking of drilling him a Pyscho with the Layout #4 but I know he has a Blue Vibe in the house somewhere.  I could probably get that re-drilled also.

 
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what school does he go to, im a freshman at sacred heart university in fairfield,CT  
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He is a freshman at Cornell University in Ithaca NY.

 
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Has he changed the surface at all? I love Hammers equipment, but OOB most are set up to be backend boomers. Assuming he hasn't changed the surface, he should probably take the surface down to 2000 Abralon. This will allow the ball to read the midlane better, bleed some energy and tame down the backend somewhat.  
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He hasn't changed the surface but that was a recommendation from both charlest and Jeff Ussery so we will be looking at that as an option.

Again thanks to everyone who responded.  As I mentioned to charlest this morning, it's almost as if he could use 2 Psycho's, one with Layout #4 for fresh backends, wet/dry and sport shots and Layout #2 for later blocks when the oil is starting to evaporate.
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Re: Question on Psycho vs. Emerald
« Reply #5 on: October 05, 2008, 12:33:01 PM »
Oh well.  I see I didn't do the quote thing right.
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Re: Question on Psycho vs. Emerald
« Reply #6 on: October 05, 2008, 12:39:26 PM »
I believe the Psycho would still be too much for what he is looking for, some better choices would actually be the Avalanche Solid or Bash Red/Black.  Both are fairly weak with smooth reactions off of friction.
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Re: Question on Psycho vs. Emerald
« Reply #7 on: October 05, 2008, 12:48:48 PM »
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Oh well.  I see I didn't do the quote thing right.


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  As far as the emerald vs the psycho, a friend of mine bought those two balls in a combo deal and had them drilled exactly alike.

  The psycho seems to handle a bit more volume than the emerald, but also seems to have a smoother reaction on the backend than the emerald. The emerald seems "snappy" while the psycho seems "arcish", but both balls hit and carry extremely well and he has shot multiple 700's with each of them.
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Re: Question on Psycho vs. Emerald
« Reply #8 on: October 05, 2008, 12:55:14 PM »
i have both and the emerald is longer and snaps more of the friction..the psycho needs head oil to be effective..it is an early reving ball...it is more of a heavy medium ball than medium for me...i havent been able to use mine because of our drier conditions at my center...they arent similar in my opinion..i really like the emerald..the psycho is alot earlier, just keep that in mind
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Re: Question on Psycho vs. Emerald
« Reply #9 on: October 05, 2008, 01:56:04 PM »
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Re: Question on Psycho vs. Emerald
« Reply #10 on: October 05, 2008, 04:34:38 PM »
I would never suggest a Psycho to go under an emerald vibe!!! The psycho sees friction and goes sideways on the back from my experience. I have 3 pyschos at the moment and even my 1000 4" pin to pap is still kinda jerky on the back. Go with a Razyr...the best dry lane ball, the best short oil ball...The best 3 piece EVER!!! IMO would compliment the emerald vibe perfectly!
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Re: Question on Psycho vs. Emerald
« Reply #11 on: October 05, 2008, 04:45:03 PM »
How odd that once the Emerald came along, everyone forgot completely about the Cherry and the Blue Vibe! (And I'm not talking about JS here.)

The latest and the greatest is the only ball that's good enough, folks???

And then many of complain that manufacturers bring out too many balls? That's because you only buy the latest and greatest. Caught in a whirlpool of your own making. Shame on you.
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Re: Question on Psycho vs. Emerald
« Reply #12 on: October 05, 2008, 05:09:46 PM »
I agree with MTD300.  My Psycho, drilled either 3.5" or 4" pin to PAP, with the Pin an inch away from my VAL, is not for dry lanes by any means.  I don't know how your son compares to me, but I'm a rev dominant player (not high revs, just not a ton of speed).  Here's a video of what mine does.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdetmjvPrwI

For comparison, a Break Pearl drilled 5" x 60 degrees was about 3-4 boards more overall hook and a bit smoother, and one of the new Bashes drilled 5" pin to pap was about 5-6 boards weaker, smoother overall.  From what I recall anyways, haven't bowled in a few months.
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Re: Question on Psycho vs. Emerald
« Reply #13 on: October 05, 2008, 08:01:11 PM »
My goto ball when the lanes dry up is a solid resin drilled pin 2" off the PAP with the mass bias under the thumb. Surface is 2000 grit ABralon with a light coat of polish.

This ball is smooth up front and with the pin being 2" off the PAP it won't boom on the backend.

Maybe try a Blue Vibe with this drilling.....just a thought.
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Re: Question on Psycho vs. Emerald
« Reply #14 on: October 05, 2008, 10:28:30 PM »
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How odd that once the Emerald came along, everyone forgot completely about the Cherry and the Blue Vibe! (And I'm not talking about JS here.)

The latest and the greatest is the only ball that's good enough, folks???

And then many of complain that manufacturers bring out too many balls? That's because you only buy the latest and greatest. Caught in a whirlpool of your own making. Shame on you.
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The emerald is that good, and I'm a HUGE fan of the blue vibe.
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