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teeeyeehm

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Rookie bowler here....i need help!!
« on: December 07, 2006, 04:29:22 AM »
ok heres my background...i am a rookie bowler and just started this past summer league.  this was my first league, and before this league, i would be lucky if i bowled more than twice a year.  so as you can tell, i am a rookie in the purest form when it comes to the sport of bowling.  even now, i am still a rookie, and am not familiar with the bowling vocabulary, so try to stay with me.  i bought a simple ball, a columbia scout because my local pro shop said that was a beginners ball.  i spent the first couple of months rolling the ball straight down the middle using no hook at all.  i gradually started to learn how to hook, and i believe ive gotten pretty good at it.  in my summer league, i ended with a measely average in the 130's (be nice, it was my first league and im still a rookie).  fast forward into my winter league, i still use the same ball.  i set up a couple boards left of the middle dot and use the inside of the second arrow on the right as my mark.  ive gotten a little better, and i now average in the 160's, and i bowled my first 200 game last week.  now for the help....

im looking into buying either a no mercy or the toxic.  now, what im wondering is if i buy either ball, will this be too much ball for me?  my cousins, who are very good bowlers by the way, tell me that all i would have to do is adjust my start-up position by moving more left.  is that all i need to do in order to have the ball work with me?  i do not throw the ball super fast by any means, probably around the 14-15 mph range.  knowing that, would either the NM or the toxic be of greater advantage to me?  and also, i am not familiar with drilling set-ups either, so when i do purchase a new ball, what information about my game should i share with my pro shop before drilling?  sorrry for such a long essay...but help is needed because since getting my first 200, i want a superior ball to help me consistently get 200's.  thanks guys, looking forward to any help at all.

 

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Re: Rookie bowler here....i need help!!
« Reply #1 on: December 07, 2006, 01:18:07 PM »
You are going to get a range of answers on this...but I'll start with some questions to get some more back-ground:

1 - Which Scout do you currently own?
2 - Since your cousin suggested for you to move further left with a Scout I'm assuming that you are a lefty?
3 - What exactly are you looking for in a new ball and do you see yourself still throwing the Scout?
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Re: Rookie bowler here....i need help!!
« Reply #2 on: December 07, 2006, 01:23:33 PM »
It could be too much ball for you, if your not comfortable with moving in and throwing out a bit more. But since you have been learning to hook the ball a little more, you might be ok. Remember, the object of the game is to get strikes, not to cover as many boards as you can. I would say if you want something newer and/or more agressive take smaller steps. I hate to see people spend $200+ on a ball and it be so aggressive that you get frustrated and then hate bowling.

If you average in the 160's now, picking up spares with either of those balls could be more difficult. And in the long run, spare shooting will raise you ave. more than a new ball.

I know this probably doesnt help you much but its just my 2cents

Edited on 12/7/2006 2:15 PM

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« Reply #3 on: December 07, 2006, 01:42:02 PM »
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I can answer number two. His cousins said if he was to move left with the new ball, that would be all the adjustment he needs. It seems like he is a righty.
That's not the way that I thought of it as it's dependant on why his cousin said to move to the left.  If he is a lefty and playing too deep on the lane than moving left would put him closer to the friction and keep him from swinging a weaker ball too much / forcing the shot.
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Edited on 12/7/2006 2:33 PM

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Re: Rookie bowler here....i need help!!
« Reply #4 on: December 07, 2006, 01:47:03 PM »
You may want to consider the Black Widow, instead of the No Mercy.  More control and an excellent all-around ball, as it will handle medium to medium heavy oil.  I've found the No Mercy to not only be suited only to heavy oil, but also very sensitive to hand position at release.
Good luck with your choice.

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Re: Rookie bowler here....i need help!!
« Reply #5 on: December 07, 2006, 02:22:08 PM »
thanks for all the replies guys.

i am indeed a righty. as far as which scout i bowl with, its the scout reactive.  the very basic ball.  that probably explains why i dont get much hook on it.  

i really want a new ball that can help me improve, as well as make me learn how to better throw and control a ball.  and as far as my pro shop goes...when i bought the scout from him, he never asked to see how i bowl.  should i ask him to do it this time so that he can drill the ball i purchase to better suit me? or are there specific things i could tell him that can help him drill the ball?

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Re: Rookie bowler here....i need help!!
« Reply #6 on: December 07, 2006, 02:36:10 PM »
The reason he didn't watch you the first time is that you are new to the game and it is hard to tell how a bowler will throw when they get a ball for their own hand. What he should have done was watch you bowl after you got the ball to make sure everything was alright. If he is indeed a good proshop operator he will want to see you bowl since he doesn't know your game.

If he doesn't suggest that he watch you bowl. As far as what info to have have a general Idea of your speed, revs(low, med, high). Definetly know what you want the ball do hook like and what type of line you would like to play.
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Re: Rookie bowler here....i need help!!
« Reply #7 on: December 07, 2006, 02:48:11 PM »
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If he doesn't suggest that he watch you bowl. As far as what info to have have a general Idea of your speed, revs(low, med, high). Definetly know what you want the ball do hook like and what type of line you would like to play.



thanks for the advice, i truly appreciate it.  again forgive me for my lack of bowling vocab, but what do you mean by what kind of line do i want to play?  like i said i bowl two or three boards left of the middle dot and use the inside of the second arrow from the right as my mark.  is that the "line" im playing?

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Re: Rookie bowler here....i need help!!
« Reply #8 on: December 07, 2006, 03:05:33 PM »
I just meant where you like to throw the ball. So yes that is the "line" you are playing. Whichever ball you get it will hook more but can play a similar style just in a different area of the lane.

You would just want to tell him thats what type of "line" you would like to play.

It sounds like your are playing an "inside line"

Your proshop should be able to help you determine this aswell by watching you and they will be able to suggest a few things to help you figure out what you want.

Where are you from? If you are in the Windsor, Ontario area check out the proshop at the bowlero bowl/Bowlero family fun center.  Talk to Wayne or Jon and they will be able to help you. PM me if you are in that area and need directions.

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Re: Rookie bowler here....i need help!!
« Reply #9 on: December 07, 2006, 03:48:47 PM »
Just some general advice...Get To Know Your Pro Shop operator!

Next time you're at the center poke your head inside the shop. If it's not too busy go in and bounce some ideas off them like you're doing with us.

In my experience those guys are a wealth of information and don't mind chit chatting when it's slow in the shop.


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Re: Rookie bowler here....i need help!!
« Reply #10 on: December 07, 2006, 03:58:59 PM »
Instead of a new ball, I suggest spending the money on lessons and learn if you need a stronger ball, or just make an adjustment, either way you will learn to throw the ball you have better. Just my 2 cents.

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Re: Rookie bowler here....i need help!!
« Reply #11 on: December 07, 2006, 04:07:45 PM »
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Instead of a new ball, I suggest spending the money on lessons and learn if you need a stronger ball, or just make an adjustment, either way you will learn to throw the ball you have better. Just my 2 cents.


Very good advice.  Lessons will go a long way.  However if you have your heart set on a new ball then I would suggest the PAIN.  Since you have a scout the PAIN would be a good choice.

Now let your pro shop guy point you into the correct layout for what ever ball you choose.

Take the advice of getting some lessons.  This will prevent you from developing some bad habits with your game.
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Re: Rookie bowler here....i need help!!
« Reply #12 on: December 07, 2006, 04:38:37 PM »
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Instead of a new ball, I suggest spending the money on lessons and learn if you need a stronger ball, or just make an adjustment, either way you will learn to throw the ball you have better. Just my 2 cents.


Very good advice.  Lessons will go a long way.  However if you have your heart set on a new ball then I would suggest the PAIN.  Since you have a scout the PAIN would be a good choice.

Now let your pro shop guy point you into the correct layout for what ever ball you choose.

Take the advice of getting some lessons.  This will prevent you from developing some bad habits with your game.
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Re: Rookie bowler here....i need help!!
« Reply #13 on: December 07, 2006, 05:03:25 PM »
You have just been answered by the "Three Wise Men"...read what they said, take it to heart, those three guys forgot more than most of us will ever learn....Get Lessons !
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Re: Rookie bowler here....i need help!!
« Reply #14 on: December 07, 2006, 06:38:33 PM »
thanks everyone for all this great info.  im from the bay area california, so i wont be able to go to ontario anytime soon. lol!  but thanks, ill talk to my pro shop guy, and ill let you guys know how it goes.  today is league day, but i still have my scout.  lets hope for some 200 games and even a 600 series!