Author Topic: First Lane 1, last Lane 1, Bye bye BuzzBust (Read 8759 times)

lefty50 · « **on:** April 13, 2008, 06:14:03 PM »

I was going to just sit back and not jump in, but since all the hype cost me $200 plus a lot of pain, I finally decided I just can't sit here and give the BustBomb a free pass.

This review is short and sweet. It is neither for the Lane 1 lovers nor the Lane 1 haters. Both are fringe groups whose opinion doesn't really matter.
This is for the normal guy, like myself, who heard all the build up and may be on the sidelines waiting to buy... Here's an honest review from my first Lane 1 purchase....

There is nothing special about this ball. Save your money. This ball is DOA 99% of the time. I believe I gave it an honest shot. I tried it in four houses plus Nationals, after a 2 week wait for the ball. I tried every possible option, 2 different drills, and every possible surface level from 600 to 4000.
It was at all times a purple marshmellow.
Look back through these threads and you'll even see where I tried to help people figure this thing out before drilling mine. Why oh why was I stupid enough to drill it up after hearing all the bad news? Like I said... no one's fault but my own. Caveat emptor, right?

For me, the BuzzBUST was a total waste of time and money. Another experiment gone bad. Props to the Lane 1 hype crew, you got me. I was tired of Big B and wanted to try something new. I did. I paid for it in more ways than one. So now, it'll go on Ebay this week.

There is, of course, no magic ball.

Funny thing though. After losing big time on the BustBomb, I talked myself into trying another new ball from another new company I've never thrown. Still had courage to try a new company I guess. But this time, I chose a ball based on percentage of positive reviews from average people not associated with the brand and stayed away from choosing balls where there was massive controversy. Wow, what a ball... OOB, it turns out to be what I expected from the BuzzBust. I'm headed to the Roto Grip forum now to give it the props it deserves. I need to give time to the positive as well as the negative.
Lane 1 lovers, write your garbage below this. It won't matter. I'm not going to be back on this forum, so will "regrettably" never see it.

I'm out.
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Nicanor · « **Reply #31 on:** April 14, 2008, 03:57:24 PM »

I don't know how many of you know Ron Clifton, but he watched me throw the Buzzbomb (first one) on and off for three days. he even threww it at about 10 miles an hour and he was able to get the ball to hook. He sid the ball would probably work at Nationals for single and doubles (I was S&D was very dry and the backends were flying. For three days with a coach watching and advising all the while throwing the Rival, Ultra and the Gravity with absolutely no problem nd nothing out of the first Buzzbomb.

My second Buzzbomb is not a hook monster, but it reads the break much better and carry is great. I just told myself its good medium oil ball and you won't see the over under that I see with some strong hooking blls.

I will practice with both Buzzbombs after league is over and before Nationals.

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Edited on 4/14/2008 10:20 PM

strikealot · « **Reply #32 on:** April 14, 2008, 03:58:22 PM »

beans all i was saying is that you had back to back post(dont know where they went) where you copied 2 peoples post and said nothing yourself..thats all..and like i said i love lane 1 stuff...im all for using what you believe works for you..if cg placement in a symtrical ball matters to the bowler, then place it where they want...its about making the customer happy...but with the strong covers and cores these days, i believe cover matters most, they core..cg placement would be down the line for me in symetrical balls..thats all..

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The shape and dynamics of our diamond and diamond based cores make CG placement matter as it is making the core tilt in a different location

shift the cg doesnt make the core tilt does it, i thought it was movement of the pin..
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Steven · « **Reply #33 on:** April 14, 2008, 04:39:08 PM »

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Problem here Steven, he bought into the hype, paid a premium for the ball and was disappointed in the performance of the ball. Now he's expressed that disappointment in this forum. I'd hardly call that being a troll.

Yes, he expressed his disappointment under the guise of a so called review. I don't recall seeing a review at all in terms of what actually didn't work for him. I guess the reader is supposed to read between the lines to figure that out. Instead, this so called review was littered with illuminating decriptions such as 'BuzzBUST', 'BustBomb' and 'purple marshmellow'. Throw in a strategic sprinkling of 'Props to the Lane 1 hype crew', and there clearly an agenda here beyond a 'review'.

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I remember a LOT of people were not happy with the Fury. I wasn't happy with mine until I had it redrilled with a stronger layout. But nowhere did I see anything from Brunswick about being the best hooking, best backend ,blah..blah..blah..BS like what comes out of the L#1 camp.

It's a matter of style. The bottom line is that Brunswick passed out bad information. In their own words "(the) Fury is the highest hook potential non-particle ball Brunswick has ever produced and is our best ever combination of high hook potential, great mid-lane recovery combined with strong and continuous back-end reaction". Most folks who bought the ball based on this marketing hype were sorely disappointed. That's why the Fury is now out of production and there is a glaring hole in the Brunswick line-up. Brunswick is more deadpan in their marketing, but failing to live up to preformace commitmentts is just that -- failure.

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He paid for it. He had every right to express his opinion and did so.

Yes, and he did that. But he tried to pass off his bitterness and ranting as a review, which it clearly wasn't. And to ignore all the positive independent reviews on the BuzzBomb and blame his bad decision making on the Lane#1 fanboys is just dishonest.

The bigger question lefty50 should have explored were the questions Beans asked:

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What do you guys think when when you see a Buzzbomb that actually rolls great and is really strong and turns the corner hard on heavy oil??
If it does what it is supposed to do for those people....Is it the ball??
Or the bowler??? What makes such a bad ball roll so good for so many people???

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BeansProShop · « **Reply #34 on:** April 14, 2008, 05:00:18 PM »

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beans all i was saying is that you had back to back post(dont know where they went) where you copied 2 peoples post and said nothing yourself..thats all..and like i said i love lane 1 stuff...im all for using what you believe works for you..if cg placement in a symtrical ball matters to the bowler, then place it where they want...its about making the customer happy...but with the strong covers and cores these days, i believe cover matters most, they core..cg placement would be down the line for me in symetrical balls..thats all..
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The shape and dynamics of our diamond and diamond based cores make CG placement matter as it is making the core tilt in a different location

shift the cg doesnt make the core tilt does it, i thought it was movement of the pin..
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That is what I meant about the wise comments Chad...

I posted my replies inside the quotes of the post so it posted them as their words. You couldn't tell where their words started and my reply started. I fixed that almost immediately but not before 2 stupid comments were left.

I try to post here to help people and to try to figure out why a few people have had trouble with the balls and try to educate them for future purchases but these type comments really drive me to want to stop posting. You know what I mean? I know people try to be funny and clever with comments sometimes(including myself) but there has to be a point when we can have serious debate on here without the need for stupid replies.. That is all I mean..

thanks beans
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Edited on 4/14/2008 5:01 PM

mrbowlingnut · « **Reply #35 on:** April 14, 2008, 05:06:54 PM »

I suspect there is some bad balls out there like Nicanor's, contact Lane1 get a replacement ball and i think all will be good. I have one of these and i will put it up against my Cell and resurgence for hook and hit anyday of the week.

It is a great ball with a couple of duds out there, get a new one like Richie has promised to make good on.

BeansProShop · « **Reply #36 on:** April 14, 2008, 05:08:04 PM »

I have had several people come into the booth to buy Buzzbombs that were not happy with the Cell. Again, the Cell is a great ball but the layout selections and cover preps on their balls were no good choices. This made their ball look bad. Every company will agree that there isn't 1 ball out there that matches up to everyone or every lane condition. It only takes a bad layout or surface prep to make a great ball look bad and have people bash that ball. The difference is that I never see the bashing in those other rooms. Only this room. I don't see the Sawheads in the other rooms bashing the companies that they have not had luck with . I am just praying that someday we can all just have legit informative conversation in these forums.

I respect the fact that some people are not happy with our Buzzbomb but I feel it is my obligation to try to find out why. Not just to help them fix it but to help educate myself further as to why the ball didn't work so I can pass it on to other shop owners and customers.

Does anyone agree here???

I have offered my assistance in layout and surface help in another post in this room. Thanks

Beans
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Edited on 4/14/2008 5:13 PM

Pozz · « **Reply #37 on:** April 14, 2008, 05:14:24 PM »

Beans. My Buzzbomb did not live up to the hype. It is not a hook monster and I generate plenty of revs. What it does do for me is make its steady move in heavy oil and then hold pocket like no other ball I have ever thrown. As far as being a hook monster in oil, I have many balls that outhook it on heavy oil (such as the Storm Vertigo). It is a solid ball and I truley have no complaints, I just don't think it lived up to the hook monster hype.

Rileybowler · « **Reply #38 on:** April 14, 2008, 05:31:44 PM »

You Lane1 guys beat anything I've ever seen , if someone doesn't write a glowing report on a Lane1 ball he is a Lane1 hater, wake up and smell the coffee all balls do not work for everyone and some balls are no good look at the relacement balls Lane1 made. This guy did a very fair summary of the Buzz Bomb , he tried different drillings, different surfaces what else do you want him to do . I believe some of you would say a ball made out of crap with a Lane1 label on it is the greatest ball ever made
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BeansProShop · « **Reply #39 on:** April 14, 2008, 05:56:21 PM »

What is a replacement ball we made???

Just curious what you mean...

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Gazoo · « **Reply #40 on:** April 14, 2008, 06:13:34 PM »

Terms like "Bustbomb" and BuzzBust" seem to this observer to qualify as more than "fair summary".

don coyote · « **Reply #41 on:** April 14, 2008, 06:16:07 PM »

Hey maybe it's me. I don't mind saying that. I have had 2 balls that I believe are not very good. My BUZZSAW, and my IMMORTAL SOLID. Both of these balls are supposed to be for heavy oil, I don't see it. Both of these balls have been
drilled 2 times, both have been polished and all other cover surface adjustments. I have not tried BEAN'S SPECIAL SAUCE, haven't had the pleasure.
I have used the FURY as a replacement for the IMMORTAL, and it worked great, and used the CELL as a replacement for the BUZZBOMB and that worked great. Why do other balls,(FURY, CELL), work for me with NO special drillings, when the IMMORTAL and BUZZBOMB don't? I can not believe we need special drillings or cover prep when we use the ball on its intended surface.
I am NOT a great bowler, above average at best. I do know when a ball is burning up though. I enjoy bowling and using different companies equipment.
I do know what works for me and these two don't. I have other balls from these companies and I have had success with them.
Bowling is a hobby and most of the time I enjoy it. I do believe LANE 1
did make a MAJOR mistake by advertising the BUZZBOMB the way it did. I love the way the CELL, and the ULTRA ZONE were advertised. You can't go anywhere and not see these two excellent balls being used effectively. The reviews are out of the park on those two balls.
As I said earlier MAYBE IT'S ME!!!

Steven · « **Reply #42 on:** April 14, 2008, 06:46:16 PM »

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Steven -
Every ball company hypes it's balls to some extent. In the case of the Fury, the new Torsion core and the Octane cover SHOULD HAVE made a great hooking ball. But, for the most part, it didn't. Sales declined when the ball failed to produce the hype that was out there for the ball even though *some* bowlers had great success with it (answering Beans question here). For the most part, it was NOT a user friendly ball.

So we can agree that every company provides hype -- good.

Lane#1's hype is a little more colorful, but I've always taken it for playful prose that most reasonable bowlers should get a chuckle out of more than anything else. BTW, I don't think the Fury is a bad ball; it just doesn't work as advertised. And with three years of R&D, Brunswick SHOULD HAVE known this ahead of time. Regardless, if you hang with the Fury long enough and experiment with the cover as a second career, there is a sweet spot somewhere for at least some condition.

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The greatest bowling ball that any company can produce is the one that can appeal to the widest number of bowlers on the broadest of lane conditions. The Buzzbomb doesn't seem to be in that category..

Agreed. The problem is that the BuzzBomb, as well as the Cell and Resurgence, are special purpose balls in OOB condition. Unless you know how and when to use them, 'opinions' regarding their shortcomings are going to be suspect at best. If you read the profiles of some of the bowlers here struggling with the BuzzBomb, you have to wonder why they bought the ball in the first place.
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BeansProShop · « **Reply #43 on:** April 14, 2008, 06:57:40 PM »

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Steven -
Every ball company hypes it's balls to some extent. In the case of the Fury, the new Torsion core and the Octane cover SHOULD HAVE made a great hooking ball. But, for the most part, it didn't. Sales declined when the ball failed to produce the hype that was out there for the ball even though *some* bowlers had great success with it (answering Beans question here). For the most part, it was NOT a user friendly ball.

So we can agree that every company provides hype -- good. Lane#1's hype is a little more colorful, but I've always taken it for playful prose that most reasonable bowlers should get a chuckle out of more than anything else. BTW, I don't think the Fury is a bad ball; it just doesn't work as advertised. And with three years of R&D, Brunswick SHOULD HAVE known this ahead of time. Regardless, if you hang with the Fury long enough and experiment with the cover as a second career, there is a sweet spot somewhere for at least some condition.

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The greatest bowling ball that any company can produce is the one that can appeal to the widest number of bowlers on the broadest of lane conditions. The Buzzbomb doesn't seem to be in that category..

Agreed. The problem is that the BuzzBomb, as well as the Cell and Resurgence, are special purpose balls in OOB condition. Unless you know how and when to use them, 'opinions' regarding their shortcomings are going to be suspect at best. If you read the profiles of some of the bowlers here struggling with the BuzzBomb, you have to wonder why they bought the ball in the first place.
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WELL PUT!!!

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LaneHammer20 · « **Reply #44 on:** April 14, 2008, 08:42:05 PM »

I suspect there is some bad balls out there like Nicanor's, contact Lane1 get a replacement ball and i think all will be good. I have one of these and i will put it up against my Cell and resurgence for hook and hit anyday of the week.

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I am still going with what mrbowlingnut says. I believ there are some bad balls out there. Something went wrong with the pour or chemistry of the of the coverstock makeup.

I myself have one drilled the infamous thus far LABEL drill that everyone else that has had on there's hated and said it was a turd and did nothing on whatever oil they were using it on. Well mine is 4.5 x 5.5 pin a little higher than even finger line and I can say that mine is not turd. It hooks on oil no problem. Our house has alot of oil that is flat all the way to the 6 board then it is bone dry. Everything I have other than my Big Bang drilled stronger just glides right down and will not get to the pocket if left in the oil. I keep it in the oil and I am confident every throw it is coming back with plenty of power. I am sure the Cell and Resurgence would do the same , and think they are probably awesome balls. When I bowl on a medium fresh pattern at other houses that have a typical easy wall pattern I can't use it because it just wants to hook way to soon and is hard to keep it on the right side, and if it does I have left a pretty good amount of 9 pins.

I am in no way Lane #1 biased, I have been a Lanemaster/Legends fan for sometime now, and look at all kinds of different companies. Definitly want to try 900 global and AMF soon. I do after buying this and the Liberator own 3 now, which includes the SUpernova XP. All fo which really roll great for the purposes I bought them for.

So for me it is a great ball, maybe I got lucky, others as I typed earlier in the post got a bad ball that no drill or surface change is going to do anything about. Thats my take on this subject.
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LaneHammer20 · « **Reply #45 on:** April 14, 2008, 08:42:33 PM »

sorry I screwed up that quote
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Author Topic: First Lane 1, last Lane 1, Bye bye BuzzBust (Read 8759 times)

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