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Steven

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Fury Torsion Core
« on: February 20, 2007, 04:45:28 AM »
My local proshop has the Brunswick Torsion core found in the new Fury mounted on a trophy stand. No matter how you slice it or dice it, this is a diamond based core (at least visually). And seeing the Fury in action on the lanes, it certainly rolls like a ball with a diamond based core. I don't bring this up to start an endless debate over Lane#1 patents or what a diamond core "is or isn't". Just stating an observation having seen the core up close, and the Fury itself being thrown over several games.

And then I ran across this on the web from the following link:

http://www.bowlingballsandmore.com/news.asp  

 
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A Lane #1 ball by any other name is still a Lane #1 ball.

According to a reliable source, Brunswick's upcoming release of the "Fury" bowling ball, just may be the sleeper of the season. The weight block in this ball was designed by Richie S. over at Lane #1 when Brunswick was making their coverstocks. Richie had wanted Brunswick to make the ball for Lane #1, but was told that it was too expensive to make.

 


More out of curiosity than anything else, if this is true, why would Richie turn over a successful design to Brunswick? I just doesn't make any sense unless he was paid a lot of money for the design work.
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jhutch769

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Re: Fury Torsion Core
« Reply #1 on: February 20, 2007, 01:03:18 PM »
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Re: Fury Torsion Core
« Reply #2 on: February 20, 2007, 01:03:57 PM »
How many lane 1 buyers are willing to buy a fury?

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Steven

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Re: Fury Torsion Core
« Reply #3 on: February 20, 2007, 01:14:40 PM »
jhutch769: Thanks for pointing out my "Fusion" error. Don't know why I had "Fusion" on the brain. Regardless, it's corrected. As far as you already starting this thread, I don't want to get into lawsuits. I'm more interested in if this is a Richie design acquired by Brunswick vs. an original Brunswick R&D based design.

Skeglesswonder: I'd consider buying a Fury after seeing it thrown. However, first, I want to do more research into how much overlap their is with the G-Force.
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Re: Fury Torsion Core
« Reply #4 on: February 20, 2007, 03:55:02 PM »
Christ, you people act like Lane 1 has invented the Diamond shape since the beginning of time.
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Steven

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Re: Fury Torsion Core
« Reply #5 on: February 20, 2007, 06:46:01 PM »
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I personally don't care who designed it.. but I've seen the core.. and it doesn't look like a diamond core... it has the VERY VERY general shape.. but that's about it.


If it doesn't resemble a twisted diamond to you, that's your opinion. But alot of people do see it as a diamond derivitive. In my opinion (and it's just an opinion), it looks more like a diamond than some of bomb mutations that came out over the past year or two..

 
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Secondly, you can't look at a ball going down the lane and be like.. yeah that's a diamond core.. that's total bs. I did find humor in that statement though.  


Maybe you can't, but bowlers who throw a lot of Lane#1 can. I feel I could pick out a Uranium out from a number of unmarked balls. Even some Brunswick guys can. The guy who I watched throwing the Fury, a friend who competes well in the West regionals, commented to me that it was "too Lane#1" for his taste. Too much midlane roll, not enough backend for what he's looking for. It did look like a Uranium for heavier oil.

But I'm glad you're humored.

 
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And the article.. probably a way to stir up a rumor.. what do you expect from any news source? Have you ever watched CNN.. they make so much crap up it's unbelieveable.


I don't know if the article is true or not. But it's interesting that the twisted Torsion came along about the same time as the Lane#1 twisted diamond.

 
 
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If Lane #1 made the core.. great.. if Bruns made the core.. great. If my grandfather made the core.. great! Who truly cares! It's a core that's going to work and work well.. so as long as it strike and kicks the ten.. no one is going to care.


If you don't care, that's fine, but why respond? I didn't ask for the opinions of those who "don't care". I though it would be interesting to know what role (if any) Richie played in the design of the Torsion. At least one article is suggesting he had a hand.
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Re: Fury Torsion Core
« Reply #6 on: February 20, 2007, 07:50:54 PM »
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Re: Fury Torsion Core
« Reply #7 on: February 20, 2007, 09:21:38 PM »
Well, I rarely believe anything from a "reliable source".  If they are so reliable, say your name.  

Next, Ritchie, above all else, knows marketing, sales and business in general.  If he thought it was a good design, he wouldn't let it go.

Also, if the core was too expensive to make, why would Brunswick buy it?  Out of the goodness of their hearts?  Don't think so, they are publicly traded, the only goodness they have is what the BoD tells them.

Finally,

Diamond Core = 4 sides, pointed top and bottom

Torsion = 3 sides, rounded top and bottom

It's a stretch by anyone's imagination.
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Re: Fury Torsion Core
« Reply #8 on: February 21, 2007, 12:43:11 AM »
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Finally,

Diamond Core = 4 sides, pointed top and bottom

Torsion = 3 sides, rounded top and bottom

It's a stretch by anyone's imagination.
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Actually the basis geometry of a Diamond is a octagon... 8 Sides...

Imho the Torsion core is not a Diamond in any way... similar mayby but not any nearer it.

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Re: Fury Torsion Core
« Reply #9 on: February 21, 2007, 07:13:01 AM »
you guys believe in what ever you like

the way I see it ... BigB realizing the "magic" of the diamond and now they wanna use it ... that by itself says alot

won't be very long till every company has something similar to the diamond
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Re: Fury Torsion Core
« Reply #10 on: February 21, 2007, 07:31:26 AM »
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you guys believe in what ever you like

the way I see it ... BigB realizing the "magic" of the diamond and now they wanna use it ... that by itself says alot

won't be very long till every company has something similar to the diamond
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Back at you as there are only so many things you can do with a Diamond and then it becomes a repeat just like any shape so Lane #1 will evntually run out of ideas for the diamond and move on to another core shape!
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Re: Fury Torsion Core
« Reply #11 on: February 21, 2007, 08:33:49 AM »
Look, I didn't start this thread to accuse Brunswick of anything. I asked from the start not to get into legalities and other such nonsense. I'm assuming that Brunswick is within legal bounds with whatever they're doing.

I simply referenced an article that reported Richie's involvement with the Torsion core as 'news'. I hadn't seen that before and wondered if there was any credibility to the reporting. So far, no one has added anything one way or the other.

As for those who run away from the notion that the Torsion is a derivitive of the Lane#1 diamond, I'd offer that if the Torsion came out in a Lane#1 ball instead of the Fury, few would be screaming that Lane#1 had abandoned their roots and went to a new design philosophy.

Conspiritor, as for the following:

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I dunno if you have really seen the Fury thrown.. but it has more backend than any other solid I have ever seen...  


I don't know why you question this. I was watching Billy Machin, ranked 10th in the PBA West Region, throw the Fury for several games. 'Bruns*sigh*Nick' would like to throw the ball like Billy when he grows up Billy has never been accused of not having hand. Anyway, lots of total hook, but nothing close to skid/snap. Again, it reacted very much like an aggressive solid Uranium.
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Re: Fury Torsion Core
« Reply #12 on: February 21, 2007, 09:58:45 AM »
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Back at you as there are only so many things you can do with a Diamond and then it becomes a repeat just like any shape so Lane #1 will evntually run out of ideas for the diamond and move on to another core shape!


but you know what ... keep saying "lane1 will run out of ideas" till it really happens ... as for present time .. BigB already ran out of ideas
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Re: Fury Torsion Core
« Reply #13 on: February 21, 2007, 10:54:46 AM »
C300,
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he made a core that was user friendly and attractive... and it's a smooth reacting core.. something everyone likes. That's the TRUE "magic" in the core.
You said it best right there..!! =:^D
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Re: Fury Torsion Core
« Reply #14 on: February 21, 2007, 11:38:08 AM »
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you guys believe in what ever you like

the way I see it ... BigB realizing the "magic" of the diamond and now they wanna use it ... that by itself says alot

won't be very long till every company has something similar to the diamond
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Stupidity at it's finest people...

I'm real curious to know what you average? Have you ever bowled any tournaments, what do you average on tougher conditions?

There's nothing magic about these cores, they make good equipment, I liked all of my Lane1 stuff, but the absolute nonsense from posters like GTX here are the reason i'll never consider Lane1 again.


Anyway back on topic, if you compare the core shapes in like a 2d picture or even a silhouette, they are similar but as soon as you get into a 3d model they lose all similarities. But of course that's just my opinion.
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