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Sawuser

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« on: August 27, 2005, 07:32:54 AM »
OK. Most of us have sent e-mails to them regarding the approval/disapproval of the SCB. Now that they have placed the original back on the approved list, I think we should all send a message once again laying out the fact that they are both the same exact ball, not a new ball. Point out that an individual bowler can polish the dull version to make it like lane ones version or we can take the polished version & make it dull like the original. Ask them why we shouldn't be allowed to have the factory polished version instead of paying a pro shop to do it for us. Their stubborness & lack of logic on this matter is only bringing another black eyeto the USBC & the sport of bowling. Lets see how many supporters we have on this site & hold off your e-mails until monday, & then flood them with messages.
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jkiser01

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Re: USBC
« Reply #1 on: August 27, 2005, 03:47:56 PM »
Flooding them with emails.. I am sure that will do alot of good..

I have read all these posts the past several days about how bad the USBC is because of the ban, but why let let this issue rest for a day or so..

Like it or not, they are the new governing body of league bowling and sending all those emails will do absolutely no good in getting this issue resolved..

The owner of lane 1 (Richie) is supposed to have all of this under control. Why not let him take care of this instead of flooding them with emails over something they already know about??

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Re: USBC
« Reply #2 on: August 27, 2005, 04:15:34 PM »
I think what they have shown so far is that they need a little outside persuasive help seeing how they have shown they don't have a clue!!
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Re: USBC
« Reply #3 on: August 27, 2005, 04:24:01 PM »
I sould not wait, and therefore i sent the below message that will be waiting in their box along with those to be sent.  Comments will be appreciated, however it has been sent to specs@bowl.com.  I spell checked it and proof read it, so it should be okay.  Hope that it is well written, and I look forward to a response.

To Whom It May Concern,

This message is being sent regarding the above subject, which needs to be addressed.  I also wish to state that it matters not which equipment I may use, for this is a matter of principle.  You recently put the SCB (dull) on the disapproved list, when in fact it was grandfathered in, even with the new rulings.  Now, and it seems more to save face for the error, you say that because the Polished Super Carbide Bomb was not submitted for testing, that it is not approved.  I wish to submit that both balls are one and the same.  The polished is just as if I had a pro shop do it, yet you want me to pay to ship a ball to Lane 1 just so they can dull it up for me, which is pretty dumb and a waste of time.

Please tell me how the factory polishing a ball that is approved as dull, changes the ball any differently then me doing it.  That sends the message that anytime I change the cover by either sanding and/or polishing, that I too have made my once legal ball now illegal.  The Polished SCB is NOT a new ball, just the SCB with a factory coat of polish.  The USBC is supposed to be here to take care of the people who even make it necessary for there to be a USBC; the BOWLERS.  My take on this whole unnecessary mess is that you do NOT care about the bowlers, especially with the previously suggested solution you suggested.

I hope that your e-mail account and phone lines are jammed with messages from bowlers who feel, no I mean know, that your actions are off the mark and inappropriate.  We the bowlers are the ones that should have a say in this as much as the Congress, or at least our collective voices not merely heard, but listened to, for there needs to be a balance of power.  I hope that something can be done about this error in judgment.  The impression I get is that this is more like a flexing of power, which by the way seems to have exceeded its legal limit, so maybe your authority needs to be placed on the "bowlers" disapproved list.  

I apologize for the strong tone, but it is that serious to me, and I feel that you have little or no concern for me, as well as others, as a fellow bowlers.  Again, it bears restating, that you are not an organization in and of yourselves, but that you are supposed to be for us.  Please rethink your placing the Polished SCB on the disapproved list, as it is NOT a new ball creation, merely an already approved ball with polish.

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Re: USBC
« Reply #4 on: August 27, 2005, 04:34:00 PM »
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I think what they have shown so far is that they need a little outside persuasive help seeing how they have shown they don't have a clue!!
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Edited on 8/27/2005 4:07 PM



The USBC is a very large organization and I just don't think bogging them down with emails and/or phone calls is going to accomplish anything. Also, do you think they are going to read emails that are slamming them and telling them how stupid they are?? I can tell you the answer, NO they will not..

I am not siding with the USBC or the saw users on this site. I am just saying, let Richie take care of this like he said he would do..

If he can't get the ball approved, then think about the next step to take..
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Re: USBC
« Reply #5 on: August 27, 2005, 05:02:52 PM »
jkiser, I reread both of your posts twice. I do understand what you are trying to say but I disagree with you. This is no different a situation than something taking place in our government that you don't like. You don't just say let our representatives take care of it & everything will turn out good. You make phone calls & send e-mails to the senaters, congressman, state governor or whoever is in power to express your concerns & wishes.(At least most responsible Americans do) If you don't voice your opinions to those in power, how do they know what the people want or expect. Sorry, but your opinion is not the way I see it & I can venture to say most of the sawheads feel the same way I do. Also, I'm sure Lane one appreciates all of the vocal support.

Sawmill, good letter. I'll try to make mine diplomatic & convincing.
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« Reply #6 on: August 27, 2005, 05:36:50 PM »
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So is sitting back and ignoring the issue and not doing anything going to work better to resolve the issue? What is the harm in taking a stand and emailing the USBC and at least letting them know what your point of view is as far as how they've handled this mess with the Polished SCB so far.
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Re: USBC
« Reply #7 on: August 27, 2005, 06:16:12 PM »
They will be getting my second one. And yes, I think they DO read them, or at least get the jist of the letter because they responded to the first wave of letters.
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« Reply #8 on: August 28, 2005, 01:37:14 AM »
Sawuser and Gator1, yes they do receive e-mails, mail-in letters, phone calls etc. They are useful and rather convincing if approached intelligently. I have sent them many regarding different issues of rulings in league and for LANE #1, all to which i have received replies. We are going to do what we have to do to back up our company because we are representatives in that we are the consumer of their product. So to sit by silently while they make a decision that you feel doesn't concern us Jkiser is wrong. Maybe you might not step to the plate for something you believe, but i feel that my voice will be heard along with many others. I can honestly say that i tried to make a difference. That is what's wrong with the world now. Too many people that won't open their mouths and sit by taking whatever. Just my opinion Fellas. F.O.S. and Lane #1 need i say more......>>>>>>>>>>THERE IS ONLY LANE #1.
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« Reply #9 on: August 28, 2005, 02:29:47 PM »
I totally agree Buzzzzz & I am hoping many e-mails are sent to them. I know they at least acknowledge them, so I urge everyone to contact them. We should be firm in our letters, but please, no profanity or name calling. That will only cause them to ignore anything else you may have said. I am preparing another letter today.
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Re: USBC
« Reply #10 on: August 29, 2005, 11:45:26 AM »
USBC considers the Super Carbide Bomb (polished) to be a new release because of the different grit of surface which could effect the Coefficient of Friction, Coefficient of Restitution, etc.  Because it is considered a new release and the previous Super Carbide Bomb (sanded) had a RG Differential that is currently over our RG Differential Specification of 0.060" it would not pass our current specifications even if Lane # 1 would have followed the USBC procedure for submitted balls for testing.  These specifications are at the time of manufacturing not when they are in the bowlers hands.  Thank you.

This is the response I got to my E-mail. NOT GOOD!
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« Reply #11 on: August 29, 2005, 08:05:19 PM »
OK so then here's the deal....lane 1 gets a couple of ball spinners, dulls the balls down and includes a bottle of their favorite polish with directions on how to polish them back up.

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« Reply #12 on: August 29, 2005, 08:09:13 PM »
You are probably right, but doesn't it seem a little silly of USBC to treat it in this manner? I mean, after all, it IS the same exact ball. I guess an attempt at muscle flex is all it is.
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Re: USBC
« Reply #13 on: August 29, 2005, 11:35:02 PM »
hey i damaned my money back or have them give everybody a brand new tsunami when they come out. hell all thier balls are priced they same sh!t. send your polished in then they will send you the new ball free of charge..bottom line lane one f@#$% up not usbc!
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Re: USBC
« Reply #14 on: August 30, 2005, 12:40:06 AM »
Both parties are at fault, not just Lane #1 nor USBC.  Lane #1 could have offered what type of finish SCB customers wanted.  Instead they, as many feel, marketed the polished SCB as a new ball, they list it on the "whats next" part of their page even.  However, they never refer to it as the New Polished SCB, that is why they are and all of us are fighting of the USBC ruling.  

The USBC made a wrong decision in taking the dull SCB off the approved list for a while, since that was previously approved.  But since the USBC believed Lane #1 marketed the polished SCB as a new ball the USBC felt it was new.  I know that it is the same ball except with a coat of polish on it, and USBC should also NOW realize this also, and rectify their decision on the PSCB.  Changing the surface only does not constitute a new ball.  

And Sawuser, the response that USBC sent you is silly, of course the Coefficient of friction changes with polish, in fact it changes by just throwing the ball.  By their definition you cannot alter the box finish at all, because you have a new ball that has not been tested.  If this were the case then quality control standards for finishes would have to greatly increase.  I've seen many variations in box finishes.  From my own personal experiences ball finishes vary.  A minute + or - on the spinner can greatly effect the finish.

If the USBC will not change their ruling on this ball then lane #1 to avoid legal trouble must sand all polished SCBs or give the purchasing customers a scotchbrite pad, or should I say trizact pad.  As for me, I polished my originally dull SCB.
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