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Brickguy221

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First Practice With The World Class Reactive
« on: August 20, 2006, 08:10:19 AM »
I couldn't wait to get my 14# World Class Reactive. Now I can't wait to get rid of it if things don't change. Hits like a marshmallow or sack of mashed potatoes while at the same time on the same conditions, my 14# World Class Particle, 14# Absolute Inferno, and 14# Storm Triple X all blow the pins away. Expecially my WC Particle and Absolute Inferno. Those two balls are definitely keepers.

I tried the WC Reactive on synthetic lanes Friday which had a lot of usage from kids using bumper pads and tried it on wood lanes today with fresh stripped  and oiled lanes and on some wood lanes that had some useage and it is a dud on all of them. Instead of calling this ball World Class Reactive, they should have left the "CL" off the Class name. To sum it up, I am really disappointed as I had really looked forward to this ball being a good ball/match-up for me.

I will probably sell it, but want to wait a few days while I cool off about making such a bad purchase. Right now I am really upset and disappoinjted with it.
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Re: First Practice With The World Class Reactive
« Reply #1 on: August 20, 2006, 04:15:39 PM »
wow, im sorry to hear you dont like it. if you hadnt said you had a xxx out there i would think it may be just wasnt feeling to good in carry down(because the particle and strong early reactive liked it), but if the xxx (the squirtyest ball ever for me) could handle it, well idk what to say, i would guess you need a little time with it before you sell it, like maby on a fresh shot...
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Re: First Practice With The World Class Reactive
« Reply #2 on: August 20, 2006, 04:27:49 PM »
I would do the same thing. I would mess around with the cover, possibly different techniques, i don't know what else. Try altering the surface, polish or 1000 - 2000 grit.
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Re: First Practice With The World Class Reactive
« Reply #3 on: August 20, 2006, 04:51:14 PM »
you have picts of the layout
how is it drilled compared to your pap.


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Re: First Practice With The World Class Reactive
« Reply #4 on: August 20, 2006, 05:38:33 PM »
oops i didint realize you already tried it on a fresh shot...
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Re: First Practice With The World Class Reactive
« Reply #5 on: August 20, 2006, 06:12:46 PM »
Just because the lanes are wood doesn't mean the oil pattern is suitable for this ball + its drill + your release.

FYI the ball isn't bad. The ball + its drill + your release, ball speed are not suitable for that lane surface + oil pattern.

Don't you realize after all this time of playing with balls just how many possible combinations of ball, drill, release, ball speed, lane surface and oil pattern there are???
Then add all the possible ways that you can adjust the surface of a ball for a different reaction?
If you multiply them all, the number of possible combinations boggles the mind: 100,000s

You should be shocked and amazed when a combination is correct and works well for you.

So at least start making surface finish changes and see what that does. If you still don't get somehtign workable, then re-drill the ball and start over.

BUT DON'T BE PETTY AND BLAME THE BALL!
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Re: First Practice With The World Class Reactive
« Reply #6 on: August 20, 2006, 07:11:13 PM »
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Just because the lanes are wood doesn't mean the oil pattern is suitable for this ball + its drill + your release.


Note, I also said it didn't work on the synthetics either. As I already wrote, I tried it on 3 different conditions and all failed.

 
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Just because the lanes are wood doesn't mean the oil pattern is suitable for this ball + its drill + your release.


No doubt about that. However this ball and it's drilling is what was recommended to me for the wood lanes and their conditions that I bowl on.

 
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Don't you realize after all this time of playing with balls just how many possible combinations of ball, drill, release, ball speed, lane surface and oil pattern there are???
Then add all the possible ways that you can adjust the surface of a ball for a different reaction?
 


That is true and again there are also times/balls that simply won't match up to a person as well as they want, no matter what they do to the ball. I've had them, others have had them and I would be surprised if you haven't had a
ball or so like that. Might be made to perform better with changes, but not what a person wants or needs.

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You should be shocked and amazed when a combination is correct and works well for you.
 


Never shocked and amazed, but happy when that happens. The World Class Particle and a drilling for my style was recommended by Galen and he hit it dead on. The ball is perfect for what I want it for. Ditto on the Absolute Inferno and recommended drilling by Bob Hanson. That ball is perfect also.

 
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So at least start making surface finish changes and see what that does. If you still don't get somehtign workable, then re-drill the ball and start over.

 


I agree something will have to be done here if I am to keep the ball, but I want to think about my options of whether to start fiddling with the ball or sell/trade it for something different.

I should have waited until this ball was out for a while and proven or not proven. Instead, I fell into the old trap of reading the BTM and believing all they said. Every time I do that, I swear that I will never do that again and then I turn around and do it again. Maybe I will never learn, but hopefully this time I will.
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Re: First Practice With The World Class Reactive
« Reply #7 on: August 20, 2006, 07:37:52 PM »
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Just because the lanes are wood doesn't mean the oil pattern is suitable for this ball + its drill + your release.


No doubt about that. However this ball and it's drilling is what was recommended to me for the wood lanes and their conditions that I bowl on.


Wood lanes needing a less agressive cover (read: resin) and synthetic lanes needing a more aggressive cover (read: particle) is a vague generality.

We have all seen wood lanes flooded  so that everybody but crankers need a sanded solid particle.

PLUS we have all seen synthetics so dry that not even pancake core resin balls work and we need either plastic balls or pearlished urethane.

You really have to use your benchmark ball and see what happens and what oil amount AND pattern is present.

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Don't you realize after all this time of playing with balls just how many possible combinations of ball, drill, release, ball speed, lane surface and oil pattern there are???
Then add all the possible ways that you can adjust the surface of a ball for a different reaction?
 


That is true and again there are also times/balls that simply won't match up to a person as well as they want, no matter what they do to the ball. I've had them, others have had them and I would be surprised if you haven't had a
ball or so like that. Might be made to perform better with changes, but not what a person wants or needs.


I have ONLY complained about one ball ever: on that ball I tried 2 different drillings and 3 different surface changes for each drill. I tried each drill at 3 different house on at least 3 oil patterns as they transitioned.

Other balls I have tried 3 different drillings and 3 - 5 surface changes FOR EACH DRILL before I found the one that worked for me.

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You should be shocked and amazed when a combination is correct and works well for you.


Never shocked and amazed, but happy when that happens. The World Class Particle and a drilling for my style was recommended by Galen and he hit it dead on. The ball is perfect for what I want it for. Ditto on the Absolute Inferno and recommended drilling by Bob Hanson. That ball is perfect also.

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So at least start making surface finish changes and see what that does. If you still don't get somehtign workable, then re-drill the ball and start over.



I agree something will have to be done here if I am to keep the ball, but I want to think about my options of whether to start fiddling with the ball or sell/trade it for something different.


If you trade it for something else fine. We all do that at times. Lately I'd rather sell a 1 drill ball that doesn't APPEAR to work for me, to get some money back rather than plug and re-drill it.

BUT, if that happens, I can see no reason for you to say the ball is a bad ball. There are balls that just don't work for us as individuals. That doesn't make it bad.

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I should have waited until this ball was out for a while and proven or not proven. Instead, I fell into the old trap of reading the BTM and believing all they said. Every time I do that, I swear that I will never do that again and then I turn around and do it again. Maybe I will never learn, but hopefully this time I will.
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I doubt if that would have made or will make any difference. SOme balls just don't suit our styles.

Besides if the Absolute Inferno works for you, the WCReactive is in the same range of oil handling as the AI, maybe barely slightly less.  Besides, don't you have a few other Track resin pearls, maybe ones that Rick (tenpinspro) set you up with from your SF visit?

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Re: First Practice With The World Class Reactive
« Reply #8 on: August 20, 2006, 08:00:27 PM »
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If you trade it for something else fine. We all do that at times. Lately I'd rather sell a 1 drill ball that doesn't APPEAR to work for me, to get some money back rather than plug and re-drill it.

 


Yeah, that is sort of how I am looking at it Charlest. I just need a bit more time to decide.


 
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BUT, if that happens, I can see no reason for you to call the ball a bad ball. There are balls that just don't work for us as individuals. That doesn;t make it bad.

 


I'm not always good with words. What I really meant is that it is a dud for me and not that the ball is a dud.
 
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Besides if the Absolute Inferno works for you, the WCReactive is in the same range of oil handling as the AI, maybe barely slightly less.


Yeah, maybe it will work on drier lanes, I don't know.

 
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I doubt if that would have made or will make any difference. Some balls just don't suit our styles.

 


Agreed....This is another thing of many things I have to think about.
 
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Besides, don't you have a few other Track resin pearls, maybe ones that Rick (tenpinspro) set you up with from your SF visit?
 


Yes, I have two resins from Rick. A Havoc and a Heat and they both work. Nothing wrong with them and to come right down to it, other than needing the WC Particle for a better option (which it is as that ball rocks) on the synthetics, and the AI as an option for both the synthetics and woods, I really didn't need any balls. "H", I just wanted some new balls just like someone wanting and buying a new car of which they don't need. (I've done that too....lol)
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Re: First Practice With The World Class Reactive
« Reply #9 on: August 20, 2006, 08:10:42 PM »
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If you trade it for something else fine. We all do that at times. Yes, I have two resins from Rick. A Havoc and a Heat and they both work. Nothing wrong with them and to come right down to it, other than needing the WC Particle for a better option (which it is as that ball rocks) on the synthetics, and the AI as an option for both the synthetics and woods, I really didn't need any balls. "H", I just wanted some new balls just like someone wanting and buying a new car of which they don't need. (I've done that too....lol)
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That I understand!

I certainly don't need or even want a ball that flips as much as BTM says the WCR does. Oddly, Legends says they want control out of all their balls. I have found neither extreme to be the case for my Legends/Lanemasters balls: some are great control balls; some flip so hard as to be almost uncontrollable (Big Kahuna, Masterpiece and Yeah Baby!).

It is not ... proper or suitable to make a ball decision, whether for purpose of practical use or for fun, SOLELY based on one review, and I say that placing great store in BTM's review process. I know I, and I suspect, most others, must needs take input from several sources before committing to a ball, and a ball drilling and a surface for that ball. The best is a combination of many sources including seeing it in person.
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Re: First Practice With The World Class Reactive
« Reply #10 on: August 20, 2006, 09:17:34 PM »
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I certainly don't need or even want a ball that flips as much as BTM says the WCR does.


Hey, I think you may have hit it right there as flip balls and I don't get along. I guess I didn't read close enough as I didn't know it flips and maybe the 3 3/4 x 3 3/4 drilling with the Pin beside RF probably doesn't help any either if it is a flippy ball. Maybe I should have drilled Pin under RF or bridge and CG out, I don't know. I just did what was suggested. Rob has suggested that I Email Galen (since I can't call because of my hearing handicap) and tell him of problem and see what he suggests, so I think maybe I will do that tonight or the first thing tomorrow.
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Re: First Practice With The World Class Reactive
« Reply #11 on: August 20, 2006, 09:24:02 PM »
i switched back to 15lbs because of the high RG on LM/L 14lb balls.... 15lbs rolls was better..

my 14lb big bang went long and arced and hooked late and inconsistent... my broters drilled the same... rolls way better.

might be what happened
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Re: First Practice With The World Class Reactive
« Reply #12 on: August 20, 2006, 10:17:49 PM »
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i switched back to 15lbs because of the high RG on LM/L 14lb balls.... 15lbs rolls was better..

my 14lb big bang went long and arced and hooked late and inconsistent... my broters drilled the same... rolls way better.

 


I have no choice. Health issues forced me to drop to 14#. The weight doesn't matter anyhow as my World Class Particle performs great.
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Re: First Practice With The World Class Reactive
« Reply #13 on: August 20, 2006, 10:28:32 PM »
Jim I hate too say this but Charlest is right try changing the surface first, i have a trick for you my friend. Here it is just for you take the ball down too 500 abralon and i mean lightly here polish this ball up with the polish that goes with it, i honestly prefer my brunswick high gloss polish.

If the ball still does not read try this method, i am hand challenged too i am going to help you save money since i like you so much. Take ball too 1000 matte if the ball is then too early put brunswick ruff buff on top of that, please try my ideas before selling a potential great ball for you. I am like you Jim i almost never redrill a ball but i will try upto 6 different cover changes too a ball first. I personally do not believe that with low revs and at least medium speed that 1/2 pin to pap is going to make jack of difference.

Most higher end guys with more speed and revs are going to see a bigger change because unlike you and me our flipping balls never read the pattern correct anyway. Personally i would not buy many shiny balls in the future unless you are bowling second shifts leagues, i am just trying too help you before you dump a good ball.
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Re: First Practice With The World Class Reactive
« Reply #14 on: August 20, 2006, 11:33:47 PM »
Barry, you have always been a great and true friend to me and you have always been there for me. I really appreciate your input here. I too agree with Charlest as well as yourself. I accept the fact that the surface will have to be changed if I am to keep the ball. That ball is super shiny. You could almost comb your hair using it as a mirror....lol Looks like a really shiny Pearl Ball and could pass likewise on looks alone if a person didn't know different.  I'll try the 500 Grit Abralon Sanding and polish first as that is my favorite surface on any ball that I put polish on. I've normally use 3M Finesse-It II or Ebonite Factory Polish on my balls, but will try what came with this ball first.
I'm going to message you with another question or two as soon as I close here.


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