Author Topic: L/LM arsenal (Read 4164 times)

golfnutFL · « **on:** September 11, 2006, 10:39:14 AM »

I have been steadily building my L/LM arsenal. I currently have (in order of ability to handle oil, from most to least....and, no, the Terminator does not handle more oil for me than the World Class):

World Class
Terminator
World Class Reactive
Masterpiece

My current arsenal also includes the (red) Pure Hammer and a Slate Blue Gargoyle to handle conditions dryer than the balls listed above. (And a White Dot just in case)
I am thinking of adding 3 more L/LM balls to make my main arsenal all L/LM, though I will not part with the Slate Blue just because I believe it's the best true dry lane ball I've ever tried.

So this is my prospective L/LM arsenal, again most oil to least:

World Class
Terminator
Black Pearl
World Class Reactive
Masterpiece
The Buzz
Straight Flush

I've considered the Big Bang and the Big-R-Bang but feel that they will be too much of an overlap with their World Class cousins.

I'm interested in all your thoughts, comments and ideas so please feel free to jump in.
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charlest · « **Reply #1 on:** September 11, 2006, 06:58:48 PM »

Potentially, it should be relative effective, as an aresenal. Some notes follow:

How did you differentiate the WCR and the MP?
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How are they currently different for you?
** By my reckoning and by Lanemasters own charts, they are very close overall. So by either drilling or surface change I believe it is necessary to do (have done) something to prevent a lot of overlap.

I'd suggest -
Wait and see about the Black Pearl to insure the same thing: prevent too much overlap between Terminator, Black Pearl, and WCR/MP.

Also by my estimation the Straight Flush will fit betwee the Slate Blue and the White Dot. (I have all three.)

What is the relationship between the Burgundy Pure Hammer and the Slate Blue Gargoyle, for you, with their currect drillings?

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golfnutFL · « **Reply #2 on:** September 11, 2006, 09:43:00 PM »

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Potentially, it should be relative effective, as an arsenal. Some notes follow:

How did you differentiate the WCR and the MP?
OR
How are they currently different for you?
** By my reckoning and by Lanemasters own charts, they are very close overall. So by either drilling or surface change I believe it is necessary to do (have done) something to prevent a lot of overlap.

I'd suggest -
Wait and see about the Black Pearl to insure the same thing: prevent too much overlap between Terminator, Black Pearl, and WCR/MP.

Also by my estimation the Straight Flush will fit between the Slate Blue and the White Dot. (I have all three.)

What is the relationship between the Burgundy Pure Hammer and the Slate Blue Gargoyle, for you, with their correct drillings?

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1) WCR vs MP. The WCR handles slightly more oil and has a slightly more aggressive backend. I believe that BTM graded them 49/47 and I would concur. Not an enormous difference but more of a subtle one. Drilled the same (stacked), but MP is very slightly longer and a couple boards weaker in backend. WCR is the hardest skid/snap I've ever thrown.

2) I definitely will wait and see regarding the Black Pearl....I just have a feeling that the particle pearl will be a good fit between the polished solid particle (Terminator) and the polished reactive (WCR).

3)Straight Flush. If it fits between the SBG and the WD, as you suggest, that would be a versatile piece. And pretty much what I was hoping, no need to carry the plastic 99.9% of the time.

4) The Pure Hammer is slightly stronger than the SBG but weaker than my Hot Rod Hybrid. Probably my biggest gap is the one between the Hot Rod Hybrid and my Masterpiece. I attempted to fill that with the Solution Power Plus EX but that ball is VERY similar to my Masterpiece. This is the gap that I hope The Buzz will fill.

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charlest · « **Reply #3 on:** September 11, 2006, 10:14:51 PM »

1. As long as you find that diff between the WCR & the MP - fine.

2. The ST FLush is the straightest resin I have ever thrown, barely a step above a White Dot. The SF needs a whole lotta dry before it moves. Haven't thrown my WD in a long time and plastic will still skid, even when pancake cored resins make a left turn at the arrows. It's weaker than a Slate Blue.

3. I found my Solution PP Ex to need much less oil, and go longer than my Mastperpiece (but that's not important to you right now.) You must go by what you see. (SIDE NOTE: make sure you do ball-to-ball comaprisons across different houses and different lane surfaces and different oil patterns/amounts in order to insure that house oil blends do not mask the true differences between balls. This is very important.)

4. I can't comment on the Buzz; don't have one and some reviews have been contradictory. Let others help you on that one.

2. Looking forward to seeing what the Black Pearl will be like.

Good Luck.

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Edited on 9/11/2006 10:29 PM

scotts33 · « **Reply #4 on:** September 11, 2006, 10:27:55 PM »

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3. I found my Solution PP Ex to need much less oil, and go longer than my Mastperpiece by a whole bunch. Heck. my Masterpiece is stronger than my stock Bruiser, hooking earlier and more. (Maybe I just got an extra strong Masterpiece - I don't know.) Under "normal" circumstances, the Solution PP Ex should fit perfectly between an HR Hybrid and a Masterpiece. But you must go by what you see.

I'd definetly agree. I got rid of my Masterpiece and part of it was the layout. The Masterpiece is one strong ball. More than I could use as a medium benchmark type ball. For me a mediumish longer condition ball.
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charlest · « **Reply #5 on:** September 11, 2006, 10:32:54 PM »

No problem, Scott. I agree, but we've got to help golfnut use his views of these balls to create his arsenal. That's why I asked him those questions. It's important what he sees. Our views of these balls is not so important right now. (I shouldn't have gotten as deep into my view of the MP and the Solution. It prompts comparisons of what we think of our balls, when he needs what we think of his balls.)
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brinen28 · « **Reply #6 on:** September 11, 2006, 10:35:06 PM »

Here is my lineup, in order of Most Hook to Least Hook

World Class Reactive
Big Bang
Big Kahuna
Mirage (Straight Flush)

Seems to be a great compliment to each other.

charlest · « **Reply #7 on:** September 11, 2006, 10:41:05 PM »

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Here is my lineup, in order of Most Hook to Least Hook

World Class Reactive
Big Bang
Big Kahuna
Mirage (Straight Flush)

Seems to be a great compliment to each other.

Amount of hook is almost irrelevant in today's game. Reorder them in order of which handles the most oil down to the least.
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brinen28 · « **Reply #8 on:** September 11, 2006, 10:44:42 PM »

OK, the same order

golfnutFL · « **Reply #9 on:** September 12, 2006, 09:55:08 AM »

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2. The ST FLush is the straightest resin I have ever thrown, barely a step above a White Dot. The SF needs a whole lotta dry before it moves. Haven't thrown my WD in a long time and plastic will still skid, even when pancake cored resins make a left turn at the arrows. It's weaker than a Slate Blue.

Wow. I didn't realize it is THAT weak. While there is a considerable gap (on dryer lanes of course) between my Slate Blue and White Dot, I didn't expect the SF to be just a tick above the WD. Especially since it is still a resin. I may have to rethink the SF....but there probably are not many, if there are any, balls currently on the market that would fall between the SBG and the WD except for the SF. I've got to think about this one a bit more.

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3. I found my Solution PP Ex to need much less oil, and go longer than my Mastperpiece (but that's not important to you right now.) You must go by what you see. (SIDE NOTE: make sure you do ball-to-ball comaprisons across different houses and different lane surfaces and different oil patterns/amounts in order to insure that house oil blends do not mask the true differences between balls. This is very important.)

Maybe I need to do a little more side-by-side comparison between these two. Currently I have such a big gap between the MP and Pure Hammer. I had been hoping for the PP EX to fill that gap, and I've also started to consider the Buzz for that role.

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2. Looking forward to seeing what the Black Pearl will be like.

Good Luck.

Me too!! I love particle pearls.
Thanks for your input.
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charlest · « **Reply #10 on:** September 12, 2006, 10:04:53 AM »

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2. The ST FLush is the straightest resin I have ever thrown, barely a step above a White Dot. The SF needs a whole lotta dry before it moves. Haven't thrown my WD in a long time and plastic will still skid, even when pancake cored resins make a left turn at the arrows. It's weaker than a Slate Blue.

Wow. I didn't realize it is THAT weak. While there is a considerable gap (on dryer lanes of course) between my Slate Blue and White Dot, I didn't expect the SF to be just a tick above the WD. Especially since it is still a resin. I may have to rethink the SF....but there probably are not many, if there are any, balls currently on the market that would fall between the SBG and the WD except for the SF. I've got to think about this one a bit more.

Now, you too are jumping to conclusions. Just because that is my experience, does NOT mean it would be yours. Robb (Laybzz) drilled his differently, stronger and got more reaction out of his. YOu have to balance all the reviews and decide if it fits into your arsenal.

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3. I found my Solution PP Ex to need much less oil, and go longer than my Mastperpiece (but that's not important to you right now.) You must go by what you see. (SIDE NOTE: make sure you do ball-to-ball comaprisons across different houses and different lane surfaces and different oil patterns/amounts in order to insure that house oil blends do not mask the true differences between balls. This is very important.)

Maybe I need to do a little more side-by-side comparison between these two. Currently I have such a big gap between the MP and Pure Hammer. I had been hoping for the PP EX to fill that gap, and I've also started to consider the Buzz for that role.

It may fit. Again, this has to be your experience, not ours. We can tell you what we think fits for us on our lane surface, on our oil patterns (that's all of us who reply, not the "royal" we.

) You have to see what fits for you.

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Thanks for your input.

no charge!

... yet.

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Hand of God · « **Reply #11 on:** September 12, 2006, 01:53:05 PM »

Terminator in OOB is polished... Knock that off, hit it with a grey scotch pad and u got a heavy oil ball period.

And yes it handles more oil than the World Class.. sorry

Edited on 9/12/2006 1:46 PM

Laybzz74 · « **Reply #12 on:** September 12, 2006, 02:01:02 PM »

Terminator is a dual-load particle ball, so I'm not surprised at what "HoG" says ...
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JS · « **Reply #13 on:** September 12, 2006, 05:34:45 PM »

Robb,

Please explain what "dual-load" is. I haven't heard that before. Also, Joe Cerar's review in this month's Bowlers Journal says the Terminator is a Particle Pearl. Is this true?

GolfnutFL....I have a Big Bang and a World Class particle and for me there is a huge difference in the amount of oil handled, hook and backend recovery between the two. The Big Bang wins hands down. I bowled in weekly sport shot tournaments this summer and when the shot was heavy and flat, the WC would pick off the 3 pin easily. The BB would get to the break and make the turn hard. I subbed last night in an early shift and threw both my WC and Black Widow in practice and had a hard time getting either one to make it up to the pocket without pointing them. Threw the BB and no problem. Big move and big hit. I was able to use the BB for 2 1/2 games before switching to the Black Widow.
The BB is the ball I go to when nothing else I have will even resemble a wrinkle. Based on Joe Cerar's review it would appear that the Terminator is smoother than the BB but until I throw one I won't know. Like Charlest says, it depends on your individual experience.

Hand of God · « **Reply #14 on:** September 12, 2006, 06:55:10 PM »

No .. Terminator is a partical solid... although the phasing near the surface does look a little bit pearl, its not.

BowlingBallMall.com had this wrong as well
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Balls for this winter season:

Terminator - Stacked - Heavy oil
Big Bang - Stacked - Medium to Heavy oil
Buzz - 1:30 Label - Medium to light
XXXL - Stacked - Spare ball

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