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Carolina Kingpin

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Thinking about a World Class
« on: April 09, 2006, 06:31:55 AM »
I'm unfamiliar with Lanemasters, but I'd like that to change. I'm looking to replace my Lane 1 Blueberry with a new "first-ball-out-of-the-bag" standard for mediums, particularly one that will handle wet/dry conditions without over-reacting.

In the past, I've found that balls with RG differentials in the 0.030-0.035 range work well for over/under conditions, hence I'm curious about the World Class. However, I'm a bit confused by the high average RG figures I see for many of the Lanemasters balls. In recent years, balls with RG averages above 2.60 have been rare--especially ones for conditions other than dry. Does the cover of the World Class help give it some midlane read, even though the RG avg. is so high?

Also, in the picture of the World Class in the reviews section, it appears as though the core and the cover are the only two components--no filler in between. Is this the case? If, so it would tend to explain the high avg. RG's.

Thanks,
CK

 

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Re: Thinking about a World Class
« Reply #1 on: April 09, 2006, 02:38:24 PM »
CK, I'm not too familiar with Legends/LM balls, but you are correct on one observation.  To my knowledge these balls use no filler what so ever, just cover stock place right over the core.
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Re: Thinking about a World Class
« Reply #2 on: April 09, 2006, 03:49:09 PM »
"CK",
 Read this link and call Galen (he's in Cali) ... he can explain about that line of balls and that ball specifically better than ANYONE !!! Good luck ... and I HOPE that we can soon add you to the legion of Legends/LaneMasters ball lovers !!!
Regardless of what you decide ... bowl well !!!

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Carolina Kingpin

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Re: Thinking about a World Class
« Reply #3 on: April 14, 2006, 11:39:40 AM »
Let me elaborate a little on what the World Class looks like on paper.

The high RG should help the ball retain energy for the backend. It will also tend to reduce midlane read versus a lower RG ball.

The medium-low RG differential (less track flare) should also allow the ball to retain energy for the backend, but keep the ball from jumping too hard when it hits the dry.

The particle cover will cancel both of the first two observations somewhat by creating more friction. It will also keep the ball from over-reacting to the dry.

Putting it all together implies a ball that could be used in the oil on medium to medium-heavy conditions, and would not need to be swung as much as a lower RG, higher differential ball would. Also, it is unlikely to "make a left turn" when it hits the backend, and can probably handle some carrydown, though not excessive amounts, as the high RG, low diff. would tend to keep it skidding in excessive carrydown.

I'm picturing it on an excessive wet/dry house pattern, where I could just ignore the dry on the outside by squaring up some, keep it inside the oil line, and let it make its controlled move on the backend.

Any thoughts?

CK

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Re: Thinking about a World Class
« Reply #4 on: April 14, 2006, 11:50:12 AM »
Yes indeed ... I DO have additional thoughts; the points that you bring up, based upon your research, are good !!! (Glad that you're delving deeper into that aspect). My recommendation, STRONGLY stated, is call Galen at LEGENDS (tell him that Robb Laber referred you) at 1-888-526-3645 ... he can address those points, elaborate upon them and any concerns that you have, and make a recommendations and give his opinion and advise on this subject.
 Make the call ... I can GUARANTEE that you WON'T be sorry !!!
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Re: Thinking about a World Class
« Reply #5 on: April 14, 2006, 11:53:06 AM »
BTW ... I took the liberty of sending a copy of this post to Galen, so that he has a "heads-up" to your questions and concerns !!!
 Good luck, roomie !!! Look forward to you becoming a part of the ever-growing "Legion" !!!
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Re: Thinking about a World Class
« Reply #6 on: April 14, 2006, 11:57:20 AM »
World Class is all about control out of box is pretty early, i took it back too 1000 abralon and used the polish lightly on the ball that comes with it. I am trying to make it different than the other stronger balls i have including the Big Bang.

I personally already like the Big Bang roll better it lets you create more entry angle and for me it rolls up better, i have the BB at 4 1/4 x 4 and the WC at 4 x 4 both no weight holes. I did have 11 out of 12 strikes rolling the WC the first game i used it in practice, on league patterns with all the righties including myself the WC has a tendency to ping back row leaves for me. Probably because i have lack of tilt and the ball hit flatter for me, it does hook and if you have decent tilt and revs it would be a better choice than the BB is.

So you are close on your call remember these cores are big and the covers are really strong forget about all total logic when figuring these balls out. The cores even though high rg and low diffs still produce good motion through the pin decks. If i had fresh oil every time out i would choose WC, if i needed to create angle and get through more carrydown and lane breakdown from more bowlers in the same area i would go with BB.

I will probably by the end of summer have every ball in the line, but with 1 summer league coming and a wife yelling at me i have too be a good boy and not buy anything until at least august. Allstar bowling has very good prices on legends/lane masters i can vouch for Joe, he shipped my ball right out nice guy at some point i will buy again from him. Good luck and let us know how your new ball does for you.

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Re: Thinking about a World Class
« Reply #7 on: April 16, 2006, 11:18:40 AM »
Carolina, balls with no filler material means that to make the ball lighter, all the weight/density must be taken out of the core. This means that as the ball gets lighter, the core has less of an impact to the ball reaction of the ball.

In a 14 lb. ball with no filler, the core and the cover have just about the same density. Therefore, it's like bowling with a ball that has no core. Basically, you're losing all the dynamics of the core when ball has no filler material.

This is why the RG's are so high. =:^D

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Re: Thinking about a World Class
« Reply #8 on: April 16, 2006, 02:08:17 PM »
Carlina K,

The higher RG cores in Lanemaster/Legends balls are there to balance off the strength of the coverstocks. I'd suggest that in general do not try to separate the two; go with the ball reaction that you can learn about, for each ball.

Yes, their balls have coverstock and core and nothing in between.

The coverstocks on the BB and the WC are very strong. Both need at least medium-heavy oil to be usable for most bowlers. Both are oilers that get a little bit more than average length and both have a VERY hard arc off the breakpoint (I won't say "off the dry", since they do not seem to nee much dry to make the turn.). If they are not making the turn, you either polished them too much or are just not using them on enough oil. (I have taken my WC to 2000 grit abralon and am still looking for enough oil or enough ball speed. )

Regarding your assumption that the WC is for medium to medium-heavy, I'd suggest that might be true if you are speed dominant or have a LOT of tilt and/or rotation in your release. For the rest of us, it needs a lot of oil or sheer speed.

As for a ball that will be similar to your BlueBerry and handle wet/drys for medium oil, I'd suggest the Absolute Power (medium-light to medium oil with no problem, but no unusual drills). Mine is drilled 5x5, pin under center of bridge and it handles, for me, precisely what you describe. (me: medium speed, 250-300 rev rate, 45 degree rotation, 20 degree tilt). For a little more overall ball strength (in case you have higher ball speed), the New Standard2 is a good choice: it is a strong control ball for medium to medium+ (longer) oils. Both are arc-y balls, which is what's needed to handle wet/drys.
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