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100% Handicap... Or Why I hate sandbaggers!
« on: September 27, 2004, 03:04:11 PM »
Our monday night league went to a 100% of 220 handicap system this year in an "effort" to make the league more competitive.  Now for the 3rd week in a row our team has lost 7 points to a "lower average" team, not because we bowled bad, but because every week it never seems to fail that one of the 150 average bowlers rolls a 220 game & that just seems to bury us.

Is this what the sport of bowling has come to?  What's the sense of trying to have a high average, just to lose every week?

Now I know that the theory is that once the averages become more stable around the mid-season, the 100% cap will be much less of a factor, but doesn't this system create a big hole to dig out of to try & catch the 1st place team?

Anyone else facing similar "level playing field" situations? And what's your opinions of the 100% handicap system?
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Re: 100% Handicap... Or Why I hate sandbaggers!
« Reply #1 on: September 28, 2004, 09:48:31 AM »
I agree 100%, I hate handicaps.  I know with scratch leagues only the best bowlers will win.  So what??  Isn't that what sports is all about?  The best person wins?  It gives incentive to get to the top, and also every dog has his day.  I will never like how you could bowl a perfect game, and someone who threw a 200 game can beat you.  How can you possibly improve on perfection?  Oh, you have to become a worse bowler just to have a legit chance.  Then you're a fellow bagger.  

I think it would be nice to see how a total match play league would go.  You bowl head to head against your counter part, and each match is worth 1 point and total team score vs their team score is worth 2 or 3 points.

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Re: 100% Handicap... Or Why I hate sandbaggers!
« Reply #2 on: September 28, 2004, 10:05:13 AM »
My opinion on this type of handicap is quite simple, I would never bowl in a league with this system. I've had leagues raise the level at which the handicap begins to 230, I've recieved negative handicap, but there is no way I would ever be able to compete against 100% handicap.

My reasoning why this is completely unfair to the higher average bowler is actually quite simple. If a bowler averages 220 in your league he must bowl very well just to make average, probably striking 6-7 plus covering spares. It becomes very difficult to bowl better than this on a consistent basis. A bowler averaging 150 would have a much easier time besting his average by 20 pins or more simply be covering a couple of 1 pin spare conversions.

Looks like you're in for a long year.
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Re: 100% Handicap... Or Why I hate sandbaggers!
« Reply #3 on: September 28, 2004, 10:53:19 AM »
MY WIFE AND I ALSO BOWL IN A SIMILAR LEAGUE BUT OUR HAND. IS 100% OF 200. WE BOTH HAVE 210 AVERAGES AND IT ALWAYS SEEMS LIKE THE LOWER AVERAGE BOWLERS "GET UP" TO BOWL AGAINST US. WE CAN'T MISS ANY SPARES AT ALL AND MUST DOUBLE UP WHEN EVER THERE IS A CHANCE. ALWAYS RUNNING TEAMS DOWN IN THE NINTH AND TENTH FRAMES. EVERY WEEK WE KNOW WE HAVE TO BOWL REALLY GOOD, NOT TO LOSE. YOUR HANDICAP SEEMS UNFAIR, SHOULD GO LOWER FROM 220-200. SHOULDN'T GET REWARDED THAT WELL FOR NOT BOWLING THAT HIGH.
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Re: 100% Handicap... Or Why I hate sandbaggers!
« Reply #4 on: September 29, 2004, 12:03:18 AM »
handicap leagues promote improvement, simple as that. If your already at a peak and have no room to improve, your s.o.l. I personally would like to see how a league worked out with say 50% handicap, as the scratch league i bowl in is barely a league (20 people). i think 50% would give lower average bowlers some chance, but not benifit them too much. ideally, you want to reward the higher average and lower average bowlers equally, but i don't know if this is possible.
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Re: 100% Handicap... Or Why I hate sandbaggers!
« Reply #5 on: September 29, 2004, 12:29:08 AM »
I was lucky enough to be invited into a 4 man scratch league this year. scoring is 1 point each game per man match style, and 2 points per game total....18 points possible per nite. This is in a small 8 lane center, synthetics, and a great fun atmosphere! Tough conditions, and averages range from 165-215. Almsot like a huge family, and a waiting list to get in, as a team or a sub.

Peronally anything higher than 85% handicap seems as if it would encourage "sandbagging" and not promote one to better themself.
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Re: 100% Handicap... Or Why I hate sandbaggers!
« Reply #6 on: September 29, 2004, 12:47:16 AM »
You bowl in handicap?!?! BAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

sorry...

I don't really consider handicap leagues real leagues there more like fun leagues, but yes 100% out of 220 is WAY to much and if I was you I would be complaining...

 
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I think it would be nice to see how a total match play league would go. You bowl head to head against your counter part, and each match is worth 1 point and total team score vs their team score is worth 2 or 3 points.


I bowl in a league like that, theres 30 bowlers all competing head to head and it uses the Peterson Point system, one point for a win, one for over avg and one for every 50 pins in your pinfall, so if you shoot 800 (x4) you get 16 points plus the points that you won and the points that you got for your over avg games, its a great system...
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Re: 100% Handicap... Or Why I hate sandbaggers!
« Reply #7 on: September 29, 2004, 10:46:37 AM »
I bowl in a league that every year they put the teams together to be within 10-20 pins of each other.  You never know who you will be bowling with.  This is a 100% handicap league but the pin difference is usally isn't much unless some teams begin to get hot.

Overall it balances itself in the end.


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Re: 100% Handicap... Or Why I hate sandbaggers!
« Reply #8 on: September 29, 2004, 11:13:58 AM »
I bowled in this type of league last year.  The team that won it had four 170 average bowlers who were absolutely amazing when they bowled against better teams.  It was such a farce!  I get so tired of a guy with 45 pins handicap beating much higher ave bowlers scratch!  But then when the game is clearly won they suddenly can't hit the pocket or make those darn 10 pins.  So, this year i am going to do the same.  I am going to manage my scores.  What difference does it make if I average over 210?  I'm not going anywhere with that.  I'm not going to win the big bucks that this league offers at the top!  I think that the idea of having a high average is strickly an ego thing anyway.  Isn't the goal to win?!  I don't think its cheating.  You can buy a ball that suddenly makes you look like you are king kong!  You can bowl on a condition that helps you hit the pocket all night!  So why can't you manage your handicap?  You are bowling in a handicap league, isn't that the idea, to have handicap?  And when you bowl in a scratch league then you bowl to that level, right?!

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