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Badger856

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10:30 vs 1:30
« on: October 23, 2003, 07:27:09 PM »
Could someone please tell me what the difference between these drillings would produce.

 

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Re: 10:30 vs 1:30
« Reply #1 on: October 24, 2003, 10:32:31 AM »
the pin placement from pap is more important but as a general rule the 10:30 will arc more and the 1:30 will have a later more angular look
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Re: 10:30 vs 1:30
« Reply #2 on: October 24, 2003, 10:39:10 AM »
Assuming an over the label drilling and about a 3” pin and a normal ¾ track.

The main difference would be the amount of flare. The 10:30 drill would put the pin close to your track producing minimal track flare. The 1:30 drill would put the pin in a strong leverage position and would be close to maximum track flare.

The 10:30 drill would in general go a little longer and a smother reaction at the breakpoint. The core is not pulling the ball over and you are still rolling on the head oil picked up.

Everything changes if you track real low or throw a full roller. Also if you drill off the label then the CG is a factor as well.

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Re: 10:30 vs 1:30
« Reply #3 on: October 24, 2003, 12:17:14 PM »
Get ready for rant.  I see tons of bowlers on ordinary house conditions using a 10:00 or 10:30 drilling on all sorts of balls on the theory that this gives them earlier roll and more hook or smoother hook.  For most of these guys, the non-crankers, they don't need earlier roll.  They need more length and flare once the ball gets to the break to release the energy they generate later.  For most folks, IMHO, on most conditions, a 1:30 drilling will work better -- and I don't use one myself very often.  End of rant.
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Re: 10:30 vs 1:30
« Reply #4 on: October 24, 2003, 12:41:39 PM »
Philip I agree 100% percent.  What is even better is to see the scotch brites coming out when the ball wont hook and they just don't realize it quite hooking at 25' already.  It's called ROLL OUT.  A ball with forward roll / 0 tilt will continue to go forward when it hits dry.  

My rant for today.

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Re: 10:30 vs 1:30
« Reply #5 on: October 24, 2003, 12:53:48 PM »
On oil I use 10:30 for the earlier roll capability, predictability, and overall smoothness of the reaction.  On lighter patterns I use the 1:30 for the length and backend.  

I like either pattern but use mostly 10:30 drills on my particle equipment so I can play more, fresh or flatter oils better.  I also need that layout to help blend out the WET/DRY and over under I get from my above average rev rate.  

My only resin ball with a 10:30 layout is my Buzzsaw XL, and that's because it's a Buzzsaw.  I have my Crimson Executioner drilled 5x4, which isn't really 10:30, but it's laid out for a stronger backend with the MB close to the thumb.

If this is not a correct execution of these layouts, then I'll have to deal with doing it the wrong way.  My equipment doesn't roll out so I should be doing something right.

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Re: 10:30 vs 1:30
« Reply #6 on: October 24, 2003, 02:27:26 PM »
Plus, my rant was put out because the one of the most common drillings I am seeing on the AHB's equipment is 4-5x2 or even 4-5x1.5 (no one examines their real PAP.  The fact is for most ordinary house bowlers, this makes the ball start to roll earlier and smoother.  That's fine.  Except that for most of the guys I see, all that does is lead to more weak tens and pocket 7-10s and unnecessary burn of energy.  Why is this?  Well, because the average league bowler has a relatively low rev to speed ratio, and tends to come off the side -- meaning a ball that wants to roll early will burn up quickly and inconsistently. This is why, in my humble opinion, the Diamond core on Lane One equipment works so well for many folks so long as it is drilled to provide some length.  For the higher average or more accomplished bowler (likely those with more forward roll and revs), a variety of drills may be more worthwhile.  But I stick to my opinion that for most league bowlers, the 10:30 or 10:00 drill as it is put on their equipment is robbing them of power and predictability.  Frankly, putting the mass bias in the track solves many of the "smoothness" problems anyway while giving more length. There are also other solutions to the problem, such as putting the pin below the ring and giving some thumb weight while putting the drill at an 11:30ish-12:00 position.   Maybe for ONE ball, a ball for flattish, heavy oil the AHB could use a more 10:00ish drill, but I have to be convinced.

OK, fire away.  But, like Bill O'Reilly, I'm right here.
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Re: 10:30 vs 1:30
« Reply #7 on: October 24, 2003, 02:36:58 PM »
about 3 hrs.
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Re: 10:30 vs 1:30
« Reply #8 on: October 24, 2003, 02:57:26 PM »
Took me a minute to get it Revs, but finally sank in.

Phillip Marlowe

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Re: 10:30 vs 1:30
« Reply #9 on: October 27, 2003, 03:02:31 PM »
Look, most bowlers will bowl pretty well with current equipment so long as the drill isn't stupid, because most of the reaction of the ball is caused by the general tendencies of the coverstock and the core.  Drill is just a tweak.    Frankly, over-unders are caused more by the wrong coverstock than the wrong drill pattern, but the wrong drill can contribute to problems. 10:30 drillings can score.  They react reasonably for many bowlers and frankly for me.  But too often, I see people throwing pearl reactives and particle pearls with early roll drillings and, to my eye, the drill is fighting the balls' tendencies.  Other low rev bowlers are throwing balls with a lot of "surface" that burn themselves up, both because of the surface and the drill.

Most of us have favorite drills.  I have used the following drills over the past couple of years on at least 3 balls:  (a) 7.5x5; (b) 6x4; (c) 5.5x5; (d) 4x4; (e) 4x2; (f)4.5x4.5 - pin under ring;  and (f) 3.375x5.  I have also experimented with other drills on other a variety of equipment -- usually trying two drills on a ball if I can't get the reaction I like after a coverstock change and sometimes putting two different drills on two identical balls.  I have seen that for some equipment, the reaction is drill specific, and so is usefulness.  And I have found one piece of pearl equipment (the Pearl Pulse) that was far more useful at 4x2.5 than any other pattern I tried.  But my observation is that for most bowlers, for most equipment, a 4x2 is not the best drill.  That doesn't mean it won't work fine.  That doesn't mean it won't score.  It means such drills must be used in their place and if you need smoother, earlier rolling equipment, look first to lower rg, symmetrical cores and duller coverstocks.  My fifteen minutes are up.
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