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Zanatos1914

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« on: May 25, 2010, 08:15:43 AM »
Well finally the center has kicked me out with this new shot...
Somebody came up with this new pattern and has really killed my game - Well the little I did have.  :-)

The backends arent clean so you really cant swing the ball and allow the backend to bring the ball back strong enough..  You might get a couple of strikes but a split is coming or you will pull the ball...  

Watched a couple of friends play the shot and I can see the shot but throwing this shot with my equipment want work I dont think...  

Anybody have some experience throwing it out to 3 and letting it drive back..

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« Reply #1 on: May 25, 2010, 04:30:07 PM »
That is the usuall breakpoint for most on the Cheetah pattern.  On long patterns you want to slow it down and use something with a little more surface because you won't get the right angle, leaving flat 10's for a right hander and some other leaves like the 8-10.  Also the longer the pattern the closer you want your breakpoint to the headpin. This is true on sport shots because there is no defined breakpoint.  House shots you can swing it more and go around the oil to get better angle because you still have the dry boards to the outside.  If your going to be swinging it don't use something that rolls up early because you won't carry, you have to use something a little stronger on the back.  I use a Mutant Cell with a longer pin to PAP to get more length and, stronger flair to help carry from deeper angles.
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« Reply #2 on: May 25, 2010, 04:30:19 PM »
are you saying that because the shot no longer ushers your ball to the pocket no matter where you throw it that you want to quit?

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« Reply #3 on: May 25, 2010, 05:33:27 PM »
Never said I was done just was having trouble figuring it out...

I dont bowl sport shots but I can see read that shot better than throwing the shot..  :-)

Thanks for the information -- Think I might be needing a new ball now
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« Reply #4 on: May 25, 2010, 08:14:32 PM »
Hi.
If you will bowl competitively, you will definitely want to learn to play the 1st breakzone, i.e., outside the 4 board.  As Storm_Fan mentioned, that''s pretty standard for Cheetah.
Unfortunately, my house didn''t seem to strip before putting the Cheetah down so 3 was out of bounds!  So there really was hardly any place to play...

Just keep practicing and learn to play all the breakzones.  Generally speaking, the breakpoint is actually a zone of 3-4 boards.  In other words, 1-4, 5-8, 9-12 or thereabouts.

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« Reply #5 on: May 25, 2010, 08:46:22 PM »
I would actually kill for a shot like this, to be honest....

Actually, what kind of equipment do you throw in relation to your friends?
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« Reply #6 on: May 25, 2010, 08:49:59 PM »
I just got done the last 2 weeks bowling on the Cheetah and I average 195 for it just never bowled  on it which wasn't bad but not good either. If you want to bowl more competivly learn outside 4 board. That is what makes Norm Duke so great he can play straight up the ball in around the 1 - 5 boards on the cheetah and the Viper patterns. If you ask him I think he would say that would be his patterns cause he can play more of his A game. Hes great on all the patterns but I think thats probley his favorite. In I have noticed also I'm drilling up a Urethane Hype for the pattern cause it will match up perfect to the condition.
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« Reply #7 on: May 25, 2010, 09:18:11 PM »
I would have do disagree a little because during a recent PBA tournement a fan ask what Norms' favorite pattern was and he said none because then you would have one that isn't your favorite.  But it is true that he seems to bowl better on the shorter and tighter patterns.  195 on the cheetah when you never bowled on it before is pretty good.  I find that in PBA exp. leauges most bowlers find the Cheetah the hardest because of having to play outside 5 with your breakpoint.  
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I just got done the last 2 weeks bowling on the Cheetah and I average 195 for it just never bowled  on it which wasn't bad but not good either. If you want to bowl more competivly learn outside 4 board. That is what makes Norm Duke so great he can play straight up the ball in around the 1 - 5 boards on the cheetah and the Viper patterns. If you ask him I think he would say that would be his patterns cause he can play more of his A game. Hes great on all the patterns but I think thats probley his favorite. In I have noticed also I'm drilling up a Urethane Hype for the pattern cause it will match up perfect to the condition.
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« Reply #8 on: May 25, 2010, 09:25:14 PM »
Bowling on cheetah is so much fun, get the right ball in your hand and strike away
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« Reply #9 on: May 25, 2010, 09:27:07 PM »
Very true with the breakpoint zones, most importantly on sport shots.  On sport shots the length of the pattern will usally dictate what breakpoint zone you will use.  For me on the Cheetah (35ft) I start around 9-10 and play to about 4 at the breakpoint.  Now on the Shark (43ft) I'll start around 15-17 and play 10-12 at the breakpoint.  You will see the longer the pattern the closer your breakpoint will be to the headpin.  As far as not stripping, I know the feeling because I bowled in a summer sport league and used the US Open pattern all 10 weeks and didn't strip half the time.  Talk about making a tough pattern almost impossible.
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If you will bowl competitively, you will definitely want to learn to play the 1st breakzone, i.e., outside the 4 board.  As Storm_Fan mentioned, that's pretty standard for Cheetah.
Unfortunately, my house didn't seem to strip before putting the Cheetah down so 3 was out of bounds!  So there really wasn't hardly any place to play...

Just keep practicing and learn to play all the breakzones.  Generally speaking, the breakpoint is actually a zone of 3-4 boards.  In other words, 1-4, 5-8, 9-12 or thereabouts.

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« Reply #10 on: May 25, 2010, 09:33:59 PM »
Unless the USBC changed something, if they don't double strip before applying the PBA (or sport) shot, it's not sport certified.  My one non sanctioned PBA league was like that.  One week it seemed pretty authentic, others, not so much...
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« Reply #11 on: May 25, 2010, 09:43:00 PM »
In my house, the PBAx is not certified so they do what they want.  Unfortunately, only one of the 3 weeks had a truer Cheetah experience.  It was pretty strange to throw the ball out to 4 or 5 and have it not even come close to the head pin or watch the ball sail 45 feet before even thinking about doing anything, and I wasn't swinging it...  

Zanatos, I noticed your sig says you use 2 fingers.  I know it tends to be a little difficult to play the 1st breakzone for a 2 finger roller.  You will need to really practice this.  You will be challenged by the extra revs you probably generate so you will need to consider fairly weak equipment or urethane.
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« Reply #12 on: May 26, 2010, 10:01:04 AM »
You are the first that noticed that...

Yes I am a 2 fingered bowler which on this pattern makes it more challenging and it doesnt help that my ball speed is alittle high. ( Picture the ball in your hand and then have your wrist have cocked holding the ball.. I flip my wrist to help generate more revs and consistence.. )

Currently I have a Roto Grip Cell that was drilled to go long and flip on the backend.  I changed the cover stock to 600 sanded and it still want comeback with constancy.  I would even say its me and probably something wrong with my form right now but I think I need a new ball..  

Right now I am willing to try anything to better my scores on this pattern..
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« Reply #13 on: May 26, 2010, 01:25:45 PM »
Rolling 2 fingers from the first breakzone, the Cell would definitely not be my first choice.  Balls that strong tend to burn-up, i.e., hook out because of the increased friction so you probably will not get a consistent roll, especially given the increased side rotation and revs that typically comes with a 2 fingered release.
You will really need to consider much "weaker" equipment and you will see the backends work better.  Remember, when lanes are drier, you need to use weaker equipment.  The weaker equipment will not rollout, but rather get you closer to the proper breakpoint downlane, enabling the ball to hook and roll at the proper distances.  This will make the ball "hook".  And it will hook much more than the Cell on the backends in this type of condition.  
I don't have all the "facts" and there are a lot of factors, but if you were try to something like a Razyr or Freeze, these balls will generate a ton of backend on drier conditions.  If you want a smoother, more reliable role, really think about  urethane like the Storm Natural.  If there is some friction out there by 3, the Natural is really smooth.
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« Reply #14 on: May 26, 2010, 01:51:38 PM »
Depending on what your ball speed is, which bowling two fingers is probably on the slower side, you may get away with a weaker drilled Hyroad.  I use this  ball alot on the Cheetah and Viper patterns because it gets down the lane, but is smoother off the breakpoint which makes ajustments easier. If you use something too strong (cover/core)with your revs you may hit the pocket, but it''s not going to carry because the ball don''t any drive. When you have a slower speed and high rev rate you have to use balls that retain their energy.  On the other hand you need to watch how you drill it because weaker balls on the shorter patterns can be pretty flippy making them hard to control. With your rev rate a urethane ball like the Natural would probably work really well, just like Tamer said
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