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leftyinsnellville

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A little help with the Shark...
« on: July 11, 2008, 01:45:45 AM »
I'm bowling in a tounament this weekend and they're laying the Shark pattern on Brunswick Avilane CID (I think that's what the guy told me on the phone).  I've never thrown on the Shark pattern, but given what I've heard and read, I thought I would bring balls with aggressive coverstocks.

I'm a typical stroker and have patterned my game after Norm Duke's "straighter is greater" approach to bowling.

I can bring three balls with me besides my spare ball so I thought I'd bring my Brunswick Fury medium heavy, Columbia Action Max for heavy, and Columbia Reaction Arc for a flood.  Should I err on the side of caution and bring a ball for medium oil?


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Dan Belcher

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Re: A little help with the Shark...
« Reply #1 on: July 11, 2008, 09:53:34 AM »
The Shark is an interesting pattern to say the least.  The outsides are SLICK, but the inside part of the lane can get some friction going.  After a few games, the heads start to go bigtime, but carrydown gets really bad.  Don't bring anything too strong, don't use a lot of surface.  You need to get the ball to save some energy for the backend.  However, you definately need options depending on what volume of oil they give you, what the surface is like, and who you're crossing with.

Now personally, I just got done tackling two weeks on the Shark pattern in my PBA Experience league.  After bowling awful last season on it playing in, I decided to try moving out and playing more direct like I've seen Norm Duke and Chris Barnes do on the Shark before.  It worked great for me!  I had to be very, very accurate at first until I burned a hole in the lane, but even poor shots gave me better pin count and fewer splits/washouts than playing inside.  I used my Cell at 1000 abralon and on fresh rolled it over 6 at the arrows down to about 10 or 11 at the breakpoint.  (Yes, the ball was barely hooking, you read that right)  As the shot broke down, I was able to play pretty straight up the 8 board.  When I executed my shots well (I threw it like crap for three out of the four games last night until I figured out what the hell I was doing wrong at the bottom of the swing, so let's just toss those numbers out of there), I was able to stay consistently in the 190-215 score range.  Carry was very good from outside as well.

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Re: A little help with the Shark...
« Reply #2 on: July 11, 2008, 09:57:54 AM »
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The Shark is an interesting pattern to say the least.  The outsides are SLICK, but the inside part of the lane can get some friction going.  After a few games, the heads start to go bigtime, but carrydown gets really bad.  Don't bring anything too strong, don't use a lot of surface.  You need to get the ball to save some energy for the backend.  However, you definately need options depending on what volume of oil they give you, what the surface is like, and who you're crossing with.

Now personally, I just got done tackling two weeks on the Shark pattern in my PBA Experience league.  After bowling awful last season on it playing in, I decided to try moving out and playing more direct like I've seen Norm Duke and Chris Barnes do on the Shark before.  It worked great for me!  I had to be very, very accurate at first until I burned a hole in the lane, but even poor shots gave me better pin count and fewer splits/washouts than playing inside.  I used my Cell at 1000 abralon and on fresh rolled it over 6 at the arrows down to about 10 or 11 at the breakpoint.  (Yes, the ball was barely hooking, you read that right)  As the shot broke down, I was able to play pretty straight up the 8 board.  When I executed my shots well (I threw it like crap for three out of the four games last night until I figured out what the hell I was doing wrong at the bottom of the swing, so let's just toss those numbers out of there), I was able to stay consistently in the 190-215 score range.  Carry was very good from outside as well.


Very, very helpful.  Thanks for your input...I'm sure it will make a big difference.
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Re: A little help with the Shark...
« Reply #3 on: July 11, 2008, 04:48:38 PM »
Playing the Shark is like bowling on a telephone wire. Your going to have to play a part of the lane your never used to and accuracy with speed is key. If you miss, miss left. Miss right and enjoying getting a 6 count.

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Re: A little help with the Shark...
« Reply #4 on: July 11, 2008, 07:43:31 PM »
I don't know how those balls roll for you but if possible, keep the stuff thats going to roll a lot at home.  Like Dan said, you want something that'll react in the backend.  That doesn't mean bring big backend stuff, just stuff that clears the heads well, and then starts to act in the midlane.  It sounds like that Action Max might be a good start.  Actually bring your Fury as well, in case you need a slightly different read for the occasion.  Then I'd suggest bringing something a little weaker than both, that works well on Medium oil, in case it burns up.  If you're bowling 4+ games expect to switch to that Medium ball.

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Re: A little help with the Shark...
« Reply #5 on: July 11, 2008, 07:50:23 PM »
Action Max and Fury sound good, but also include a medium oil polished ball, doesn't have to be a pearl, can be polished solid

on edit: from your profile, I'd say take either the Twisted Fury, Black Pearl, or Counter Strike to go with the Action Max and Fury
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Re: A little help with the Shark...
« Reply #6 on: July 11, 2008, 08:27:39 PM »
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Action Max and Fury sound good, but also include a medium oil polished ball, doesn't have to be a pearl, can be polished solid

on edit: from your profile, I'd say take either the Twisted Fury, Black Pearl, or Counter Strike to go with the Action Max and Fury


I second that.  As long as they all have OOB finish, the Counter Strike or Twisted would do great after transition.  I'm not sure about the Black Pearl because that seems a bit stronger than the Counter Strike, and I think the Counter strike is enough ball as it is(of course this depends on how they're laid out I guess).

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Re: A little help with the Shark...
« Reply #7 on: July 11, 2008, 08:48:51 PM »
Just an observation--in a PBA experience league, it seemed that the
leftys had a better look most of the time.  Pointing the ball in
around 7 or 8 seemed to work best for me and there was some backend.
In our league, the rightys really struggled to get the ball to move
any on the back.

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Re: A little help with the Shark...
« Reply #8 on: July 11, 2008, 11:55:14 PM »
The way i attacked the shark was to play pretty straight at the pocket, i have alot of hand but in the house i bowl in it doesn't give you much recovery on the back end. I figured if i tugged it a little it would go brooklyn, and i never did swing it out much, cause i was rolling it pretty straight at the pocket.
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Re: A little help with the Shark...
« Reply #9 on: July 12, 2008, 12:44:40 AM »
Biballer and leftyinsnellville, I bowled in the winter league this past winter on the shark pattern as one of them and found that if you have a really early rolly ball with surface is a bad idea, it usually is doa at the pocket. Have any of you tried a strong solid with pin up like 3 1/2 - 4 inchs from mid line and put some surface like 1000 or 800 grit? I have a pro cg passion with pin above ring at 3 3/4 from the mid line and mas bias 3 1/2 from my pap on the val no hole and when I put 800 grit sand on it, I could play from 28 out to 9 or 10 and just crush the pocket where a lot of other people were having a problem. But ya, the fury solid should work pretty good depending on the surface you decide to put on it.
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leftyinsnellville

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Re: A little help with the Shark...
« Reply #10 on: July 12, 2008, 04:31:33 PM »
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Is this the realbowlers tournament that you are going to?

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Re: A little help with the Shark...
« Reply #11 on: July 13, 2008, 11:04:16 AM »
Alot of these guys are right in their surface prep.  With the shark being longer its going to have less volume of oil, and while the outside is pretty slick, the inside gets burnt (as well as the track area) very quickly depending on the condition the lane surface is in.  While you don't want anything shiny (to start anyway - you want to be deep if u have to use this), higher grit solids work well on this drilled somewhat controlled or for length, and you can usually get a spot going on the lane around 10 just inside the OOB, and in some houses, can cheat a bit farther right but its going to play tight at first.  

Our house is known for friction, and while I've struggled on the shorter patterns (even cheetah which shouldn't be that hard, but I'm having trouble getting anything down lane), the Shark and Chameleon patterns are the ones I've done the best on (shot 600 on both) and I started outside closer to where Dan said he started.  On chameleon I was more along the lines of 3-4, but on Shark it wouldn't make it back better than 1/2 pocket or wash, so I cheated in and around 6-7-8 it was good to around 10-12 at the break and made it back.  The inside line players will be burning up your hold area though by swinging into it as their breakpoint, so you need to watch ur ball speed to make sure it doesn't start diving on you.

Good Luck,

Later,

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leftyinsnellville

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Re: A little help with the Shark...
« Reply #12 on: July 13, 2008, 04:30:24 PM »
I did miserable on the Shark pattern...guess I was expecting heavy oil with a short amount of dry at the end to turn into the pocket.  The only ball that even slighty worked was my Sure Strike thrown straight the ten board with a

Everything else I threw jumped high unless I absolutely cannonballed it.  Even the Sure Stike would jump high in an instant if I missed inside even the tiniest bit.

Not sure if that is typical of the shark...biggest problem I had was with the approaches.  Stuck to those buggers like glue.  Guess I need a slide sock or better soles for the Dexters.
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Re: A little help with the Shark...
« Reply #13 on: July 13, 2008, 05:37:39 PM »
you thought that since it is the longest PBA pattern that it would have a high volume. That is where your problem was. Generally, everywhere the Shark is the longest, but doesn't have the most volume out of all the patterns, the middle of the lane can really breakdown fast, its just the outside of the lanes that give problems.

To show how much the Shark pattern can breakdown in the middle of the lane check out the 2007 CLR Windy City Classic, Robert Smith is lofting the guttercap on the shark pattern
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