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Zanatos1914

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Ball Drilling Question
« on: May 08, 2013, 10:35:54 AM »
Well yesterday I happen to be in the pro shop with a friend and I was suggesting how he should get his balls drilled because to me it doesn't make since to get all your balls drilled the same...  This new dude in the pro shop said he has all his balls to go long and hook - does this make since or am I just crazy...

Is anybody else following this same logic.....

 

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« Reply #1 on: May 08, 2013, 10:59:52 AM »
Many of the well season pros have maybe 2 main layouts that they use on most of their equipment. 

When you are familiar with your ball speed, rev rate, tilt, axis rotation and have a good idea of what you'll be bowling on, one or two layouts with surface changes as necessary will cover all but the crazy conditions.

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« Reply #2 on: May 08, 2013, 11:01:12 AM »
On a house shot it kinda makes sense, for a tournament player I wouldn't go that route.  While different covers and cores may give you a little bit different of a "look", I don't think a developed/tournament player would benefit from that set up so to speak.

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Re: Ball Drilling Question
« Reply #3 on: May 08, 2013, 12:07:59 PM »
Many of the well season pros have maybe 2 main layouts that they use on most of their equipment. 

When you are familiar with your ball speed, rev rate, tilt, axis rotation and have a good idea of what you'll be bowling on, one or two layouts with surface changes as necessary will cover all but the crazy conditions.

I dislike this logic.  Pros can get away with 2-3 layouts because they are masterful at adjusting their reaction by altering speed, release, etc (and sometimes all at the same time).  Us mere mortals typically don't have that luxury.  For us, getting the right layout on the ball to match what we want it to do and what conditions we want it to do it on is more critical.

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Re: Ball Drilling Question
« Reply #4 on: May 08, 2013, 12:14:32 PM »
The further I stray from my "benchmark" lay out, the more condition specific the ball gets...  Cover strength and surface finish dictates almost 70% of the reaction
« Last Edit: May 08, 2013, 12:16:04 PM by J_Mac »

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Re: Ball Drilling Question
« Reply #5 on: May 08, 2013, 12:35:16 PM »
Everybody wants a ball that will go long and hook, however, that sort of logic is not very effective if you bowl in several different houses and/or tournaments.  The normal accepted theory of a ball arsenal is that you vary the drillings so as to accommodate whatever lane condition you may come across.  A decent arsenal is considered to be 6 balls, with one being a ten pin or pure spare ball.  I typically carry five for the 3 houses I bowl in. Not all of the houses pay attention to lane dressing and you might get 43 foot one day or 39 foot the next or they decide to change grades of oil.  Finally, the weather and air conditioning have a large effect on the conditioner; it dries out faster or stays firmer.  Too many variations to stay with one layout.  That's why golfers have 14 clubs.  some to go long or some to go short. You don't always need a ball to break 25 boards.

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« Reply #6 on: May 08, 2013, 12:36:46 PM »
Each to his own, but I have many different layouts. I even have multiple, same type balls with similar surfaces, BUT different layouts. I have a ball pin-up, one pin-down, and one drilled stacked. And I will take these "sets"with me to bowl on tournament shots. Having my balls laid out in such a way allows me to simplify my adjustments. I don't have to adjust hand position AND speed when a pair begins to transition.

A lot of times when you make two or three adjustments at once, you over compensate and then gradually realize one adjustment would have sufficed! It is a different school of thought, but one that works for me.
« Last Edit: May 08, 2013, 12:38:17 PM by Jesse James »
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Re: Ball Drilling Question
« Reply #7 on: May 08, 2013, 12:56:28 PM »
The further I stray from my "benchmark" lay out, the more condition specific the ball gets...  Cover strength and surface finish dictates almost 70% of the reaction

Condition specific is not a bad thing on tougher lane conditions.  If you are only bowling house shots, then I agree that it matters less. 

I realize 70% of the reaction is cover and surface.  That doesn't mean you should discount the other 30% completely.  30% is a sizable chunk. 

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Re: Ball Drilling Question
« Reply #8 on: May 08, 2013, 03:23:17 PM »
Thanks for the input because I dont understand anybody who wants to have each and everyball react the same...  In bowling friction can be your friend or enemy and each house gives you a different reaction but we all try and hit the same breaking point with each ball... 


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Re: Ball Drilling Question
« Reply #9 on: May 08, 2013, 03:56:21 PM »
IMHO which I know is limited (: but I would suggest/recommend 3....one for length, one for earlier reaction and one for medium...or use a stable-medium amount of flare layout, adjust adding a weight hole to control how the ball slows downs...and then adjust the surface...most bowlers think more flare is better and more times than not many bowling balls that either become non-responsive or condition specific have too strong a layout...weight holes are as much of a tool as the initial layout
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Re: Ball Drilling Question
« Reply #10 on: May 08, 2013, 04:09:29 PM »
The further I stray from my "benchmark" lay out, the more condition specific the ball gets...  Cover strength and surface finish dictates almost 70% of the reaction

+1000000000000000000000000000. Layouts are nice but weight hole manipulation will be more of a key. Aside from that, unless you bowl on the tour, there is really no huge reason to have more than 3 layouts max. I have 3. Other than that, its putting to much emphasis on layout when a surface pad or balance hole can make for a more dramatic change. That's the reason technology is put in the ball.
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Re: Ball Drilling Question
« Reply #11 on: May 08, 2013, 06:56:32 PM »
The further I stray from my "benchmark" lay out, the more condition specific the ball gets...  Cover strength and surface finish dictates almost 70% of the reaction

+1000000000000000000000000000. Layouts are nice but weight hole manipulation will be more of a key. ...

Please explain how weight holes are more important than "layouts".
I do not understand this statement.

Example:
Ball is benchmark type of design, symmetric core.

Pin - 3" left of grip center, CG - in grip center.
PAP - 5" over, 3/4" down.
Bowler is right handed, rev rate & ball speed matched, 12 degree tilt, 45 degrees rotation.
Drilled top weight is .5 oz.
Drilled finger & thumb weight is 0 oz.

What weight hole will make this ball react "normally"; i. e. will provide an even arcing reaction on true medium oil?
« Last Edit: May 08, 2013, 07:05:58 PM by charlest »
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« Reply #12 on: May 08, 2013, 07:34:06 PM »
LOL, you know what I'm trying to say Charlest. Forgive my lack of wording. Weight hole manipulation is going to be a factor in changing the reaction and cover prep wwill be the most important aspect of reaction. All I'm trying to say is stick with what works and let the balls tech make the difference...

people pay $200 for a ball not a layout. Otherwise, every ball would be the same core and cover. 
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Re: Ball Drilling Question
« Reply #13 on: May 08, 2013, 07:38:19 PM »
3" left of center??????? 0 Finger and thumb??????????? Put 500 grit on it and hope it turns the corner. Lol!
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« Reply #14 on: May 08, 2013, 07:40:47 PM »
3" left of center??????? 0 Finger and thumb??????????? Put 500 grit on it and hope it turns the corner. Lol!

So, I assume you retract your previous statement about layout superseding weight hole in order of importance in drilling.
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