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Pinbuster

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Bowling a major sport ?
« on: May 08, 2003, 03:01:56 PM »
Reasons why bowling will never be considered a major sport and/or included in  the Olympics.

1) Possible winner tampering - An outside agency can limit the pool of possible winners. The lane man can determine which side of the lane will when and a particular style of player that will win. You can say the best can adjust and adapt but if you put an absolute wall up on the left a house hack could beat Walter Ray Williams. As many have said past a certain point of skill it is not who executes the best but often who matches up the best to the condition.

2) Participant preparation for the event - Even our national championship does not allow participants to warm up properly. Yes things have gotten better at ABC nationals but a couple of balls before doubles does not constitute warming up. It wouldn’t have to be on the lanes of competition but how can you compete at the highest levels when virtually no warm up is allowed. The PBA allows players to properly warm up before matches are played. I realized that there is a logistics problem here but it still speaks to the sport.

3). Bowling Venues – Most major league sporting events are held on a field of play that the average citizen can’t get on or see on a regular basis. Golf tournaments are held on country clubs or exclusive resorts. Baseball and football games are held in stadiums you could never play in. Basketball games in coliseums. Bowling tournaments are held in houses that any one can play on and many of the spectators bowl in leagues on the lanes. So there is no reason for the non-fan of the sport to attend.

4) Bowling Venues esthetics – Bowling centers are not works of art or beauty. Most are held in 30 year old (or older) facilities. Even the newer ones offer little to view and as stated above a fan can go in anytime and see it. As Sawbones once said to me, if he came to town would I take him to a golf course or a bowling center. A well manicured golf course is a thing of beauty just to behold. And once again baseball and football games are held on fields that make most of our lawns look bad.  Again there is no reason for the non-fan of the sport to attend.

5) Seating capacity – Bowling centers will have problems holding more that 1000 fans comfortably and the parking, bathroom and concession facilities are not designed for crowds of that size. Golf courses can handle the seating of 30,000 to 40,000 with room for tents for concessions and porta-potties everywhere. Baseball, football, and basketball are all held in facilities that are designed to seat and handle the crowd.

6) The product – If I go to a golf tournament I can see shots hit that I can only imagine, 300 yard drives, spinning wedge shots, great putts, flop shots, 180 yard 9 irons. I would seldom see this on my home course. In baseball I can see someone hit a 450 foot home run against a pitcher throwing a 95 mph fastball that I couldn’t even see or a fielder make a long run with a diving catch. In bowling I can go to one of the better scratch leagues around and virtually every week see someone shoot 300 and every other week someone will shoot 800. Seeing a 260+ game thrown is not unusual. There will be bowlers who throw nearly as many revs as Robert Smith. And I can view this for nothing.

7) The field of play – A bowling lane looks like any other bowling lane. You cannot see the difference in oil pattern (bowlings only defender to scoring), most bowlers probably couldn’t tell if the lanes are wood or synthetics. Golf holes are different, baseball stadiums have different dimensions, football and basketball have defenders on the field of play.

8) Money – Because of the limited amount of gate most the prize fund has to come thru sponsors, pro-am’s, and limited TV money. Bowling has amateur events that pay more than the PBA. In golf, baseball, basketball, if you are playing for that kind of money available in bowling amateur events you are a professional.  

9) Bowlers themselves – We don’t even take ourselves seriously why should anyone else?


Edited on 5/9/2003 7:25 AM

 

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Re: Bowling a major sport ?
« Reply #1 on: May 09, 2003, 08:28:07 AM »
Just because I'm a glutton for punisment:

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1) Possible winner tampering


If you were really the best around, you would be able to bowl on any condition. Some track runners run better indoors than out, just like some bowlers are better on wet than dry. As far as controlling the outcome, There are MANY sports where this could happen. Lets say there is a team that likes to take the lower line on a bobsled course. Track man makes that a little faster & BOOM gold medal.

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2) Participant preparation for the event


VERY easily resolvable & I'm sure all of us would appreciate being able to throw more than 3 balls before competition.

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Bowling Venues – Most major league sporting events are held on a field of play that the average citizen can’t get on or see on a regular basis.


Anyone can Ski on the mountains that they ski on, Luge or bobsled on the courses they are on, Skate in most of the speedskating tracks, etc. I think this really is a non issue.


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4) Bowling Venues esthetics


Before the Pettit Ice center opened here, you should have seen the US national speedskating rink. It was nasty. No nicer than an mediocre Bowling center.

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5) Seating capacity – Bowling centers will have problems holding more that 1000 fans comfortably and the parking, bathroom and concession facilities are not designed for crowds of that size.


Go through all of the olympic sports, if you look at the venues that aren't in olympic cities they aren't very big either. If Bowling were an olympic sport they would build appropriate venues.

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6) The product – If I go to a golf tournament I can see shots hit that I can only imagine, 300 yard drives, spinning wedge shots, great putts, flop shots, 180 yard 9 irons. I would seldom see this on my home course. In baseball I can see someone hit a 450 foot home run against a pitcher throwing a 95 mph fastball that I couldn’t even see or a fielder make a long run with a diving catch. In bowling I can go to one of the better scratch leagues around and virtually every week see someone shoot 300 and every other week someone will shoot 800. Seeing a 260+ game thrown is not unusual. There will be bowlers who throw nearly as many revs as Robert Smith. And I can view this for nothing.


You just named the number 1 reason we need to bring more integrity to the SPORT of bowling. The governing bodies really need to get on the ball & crap or get off the pot. Either make it a demand that all leagues use PBA oil patterns & specs, or give up on the sport of bowling & resign to just playing a game.
 
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7) The field of play – A bowling lane looks like any other bowling lane. You cannot see the difference in oil pattern (bowlings only defender to scoring), most bowlers probably couldn’t tell if the lanes are wood or synthetics. Golf holes are different.


To a non golfer, golf holes aren't really different. I see grass, water & sand. that's about it. Curling, it's a slab of ice. Skiing (this one I KNOW people dont understand) it's just a hill when you're watching. Track, it's a round slab of asphalt.

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8) Money
 

4 words: Curling, Luge, Synchronized Swimming

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9) Bowlers themselves – We don’t even take ourselves seriously why should anyone else?


Speak for yourself.


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Bjaardker

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Re: Bowling a major sport ?
« Reply #2 on: May 09, 2003, 09:22:53 AM »
I'm really suprised that no one has ripped me apart on this one yet.

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Re: Bowling a major sport ?
« Reply #3 on: May 09, 2003, 09:54:29 AM »
I guess I didn't express it very well. Being an Olympic sport was some of the least of my post. The Olympics are politically charged and inclusion of sports seems to be an arbitrary process. I’m a little surprise it has not been included as compared to other sports a relatively small investment (compared to many sports) could make a country a player. Bowling becoming a major competive sport on a national or world wide stage was more the point of the post. I’m a little surprise it has not been included

Bjaardker - Your examples are not what I would call a major sports, Curling, Luge, Synchronized Swimming, even skiing while it has a large number of participants I would doubt that many of these skiers compete. To a degree I would almost hesitate to call hockey a major sport any more. Few below the rust belt understand it or watch it.

Bob Hanson -  I agree it is probably controllable on a national or international level but in local competition it does happen, not often but can and does happen. Of course I like the idea of longer formats with varying lane conditions that would limit favoring of a certain style or shot.

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Re: Bowling a major sport ?
« Reply #4 on: May 09, 2003, 11:21:47 AM »
I'll get back to the rest later - BUT - 3,4,and 5 were supposed to be fixed by the creation of the national bowling stadium...
Of course, that venue is being taken away from us because of greedy local politicians and general corruption within the government of Reno, but that's another story for another day...
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Re: Bowling a major sport ?
« Reply #5 on: May 09, 2003, 11:57:28 AM »
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 To a degree I would almost hesitate to call hockey a major sport any more. Few below the rust belt understand it or watch it.



Those might almost be fighting words even in the Rio Grande Valley.  Minor league hockey has taken off like wildfire in many areas below the Rust Belt.  Even Laredo has a team.  When I was driving back from New Orleans, I noticed that Beaumont has a ice arena under construction.  A number of teams are in areas thought not long ago as non-hockey areas.  

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Re: Bowling a major sport ?
« Reply #6 on: May 09, 2003, 01:46:33 PM »
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Bjaardker - Your examples are not what I would call a major sports, Curling, Luge, Synchronized Swimming, even skiing while it has a large number of participants I would doubt that many of these skiers compete. To a degree I would almost hesitate to call hockey a major sport any more. Few below the rust belt understand it or watch it.


I understand where you are coming from.

I think the next few years will make or break bowling as we know it.

I do still consider bowling to be a major sport, as much as golf is. Remember it wasn't but 15 years ago the PGA didn't get much better ratings than the PBA.

Some intresting statistics for you though, just because I like an argument

Curling:
"The USCA is a member of the U.S. Olympic Committee and the World Curling Federation, and has 131 member clubs in 11 regions. Curling debuted as a medal sport in the 1998 Winter Olympic Games in Japan. About 1.5 million people from ages eight to 80 in over 33 countries curl."

Luge & Synchro:
Well, I couldn't find any Hard #'s to give you.

Skiing:
There are hundreds of thousands of people who ski competitively on a regular basis. To see all of the ski hills that have racing open to the public, go here:
http://www.nastar.com/index.jsp?pagename=wheretorace
If you're a skiier & you haven't raced Nastar before I Highly reccommend it, it's a blast.

That gives me an idea.

Maybe what we need to do is have something similar to Nastar for bowling.

I'm gonna go start a topic on that.