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lilpossum1

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Build it up, watch it fall
« on: October 07, 2014, 02:01:21 PM »
Is anyone else tired of all the hype surrounding certain bowling balls before they are even released? Just within the last few weeks, we have had the build up for the Hammer Bad Ass, which is getting built up purely because of the name, and to some degree, the Roto Grip Sinister is being built up. Nothing is being pushed into our faces so much as the Storm Crux is though. NEW CORE! GROUNDBREAKING TECHNOLOGY! MORE HOOK! UNBELIEVABLE PERFORMANCE! Every day I check Facebook, there is something new about how great this ball is going to be. I understand that, yes, it is marketing, but isn't it just over the top at times? I don't deny that it will be a good ball, maybe even a great ball on the right conditions and in the right hands, but can anything really be as good as they are saying it is going to be? Nothing can live up to the hype Storm is giving it. End rant.

 

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Re: Build it up, watch it fall
« Reply #16 on: October 07, 2014, 11:29:52 PM »
The stronger cover Storm ball tended to miss cause they weren't quite the normal Storm look or shape...the Zero is a huge seller for them...


I agree, calling the ZG a miss is mind boggling.

Over 10 people I bowl with in league call it the 'zero carry' lol i kinda like mine.  If it is doing so well where is the follow up :( I guess it is coming now that the byte is going..

Theres the problem, who on earth is using the ZG on house?
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Re: Build it up, watch it fall
« Reply #17 on: October 07, 2014, 11:58:26 PM »
You must not have any contact with the outside world.  Reality check many are using it on THS leagues. OMG! Shocker.  It's probably the reason they made the ERG cover, so it is usuable.  I won't try to make a point with you since you are above us all...

Our house is synthetic, it had an easy THS ( high volume, ball sucked...still whacked the shot with any other high end storm or roto cover ex...sync, hyper, or vivid) 

This season we have a very trick sport pattern....ball isn't any better.

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Re: Build it up, watch it fall
« Reply #18 on: October 08, 2014, 12:03:42 AM »
You must not have any contact with the outside world.  Reality check many are using it on THS leagues. OMG! Shocker.  It's probably the reason they made the ERG cover, so it is usuable.  I won't try to make a point with you since you are above us all...

Our house is synthetic, it had an easy THS ( high volume, ball sucked...still whacked the shot with any other high end storm or roto cover ex...sync, hyper, or vivid) 

This season we have a very trick sport pattern....ball isn't any better.



Yeah, you're right, the ball is terrible. Couldn't be the low diff core struggles on a wet/dry cliff house shot? Nope, not at all.
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Re: Build it up, watch it fall
« Reply #19 on: October 08, 2014, 05:26:42 AM »
You must not have any contact with the outside world.  Reality check many are using it on THS leagues. OMG! Shocker.  It's probably the reason they made the ERG cover, so it is usuable.  I won't try to make a point with you since you are above us all...

Our house is synthetic, it had an easy THS ( high volume, ball sucked...still whacked the shot with any other high end storm or roto cover ex...sync, hyper, or vivid) 

This season we have a very trick sport pattern....ball isn't any better.



Yeah, you're right, the ball is terrible. Couldn't be the low diff core struggles on a wet/dry cliff house shot? Nope, not at all.
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Re: Build it up, watch it fall
« Reply #20 on: October 08, 2014, 07:51:38 AM »
I can accept the premise that low sales/short shelf life can be used to determine a miss; however, isn't it plausible that those results are also impacted by market saturation? I think back to when Storm was putting out balls in the X-Factor line. The released the X-Factor Reloaded and followed it up VERY quickly with the Fear Factor. I don't know about anywhere else, but the second the Fear Factor came out, everyone in my area forgot all about the Reloaded, and we had 40 Fear Factors on the racks within the month. Personally, I didn't match up well with either ball, but the point is that sales of the Reloaded, at least in my area, didn't fail beacuse the Fear Factor was a superior ball; they failed because most people who go ball shopping want the newest ball, not necessarily the best ball. Hell, look at the posts on here where people ask for advice. Does this sound familiar:

OG Poster: "I really love my Hyroad; it's the best ball I've ever used, but it's getting older, and I need to find a replacement."

Helper: "You're in luck, they still make the Hyroad, so if you love it, just go ahead and get yourself another one."

OG Poser: "Nah, I'm not really interested in doing that. I was hoping you could tell me which of Storm's newer balls would be a good replacement."

I know I've read about thousand of those posts over the years on here, and one might assume that frequenters of this site would possibly be slightly more bowling savvy than the average joe who strolls into the pro shop.

Again, ladies and gentlemen, it's marketing. They are trying to sell as many bowling balls as they possibly can, so they're going to use bright colors, they're going to have this pro or that pro hype up the ball, and they're going to use buzz words that make you think that of all the balls they've ever made, THIS is the ball you just have to make sure to get. You can say that it's dishonest and/or repetitious, and I won't necessarily disagree; however, if you base your ball-buying decisions off of the marketing materials, you only have yourself to blame. Look at coverstock type, core shape and numbers, "intended conditions", and watch someone (who actually bowls similarly to you and possibly on similar conditions) throw the ball to see if you like what it does. If a certain ball seems to look good for many different bowlers with many different styles on many different conditions, it usually gets my attention because it appears to be one of those user-friendly balls mentioned earlier. At that point, if I decide I need a ball to give me that particular look, I consider buying it or trading for it. Online ball videos and pro shop posters don't impact my decision.


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Re: Build it up, watch it fall
« Reply #21 on: October 08, 2014, 08:03:21 AM »
....failed because most people who go ball shopping want the newest ball, not necessarily the best ball.

See, this is the part of human nature I'm not sure I have the ability to understand.  I understand people are this way, but their logic I struggle to follow.

The ball that WORKS for the specific conditions and strikes is the choice that should be made (I'm assuming that is the goal of one who purchases equipment, perhaps my assumption is off) IMO.  Don't get me wrong, I'm more than happy to take the money of these people in brackets etc, but the idea that new > wise ball choice is odd to me.

Of all the equipment I have, I don't know why I'd be more inclined to throw my newest ball specifically, when an older one fits what I'm seeing and will give me the best and most consistent look/score, BUT......I value score over image/whatever "they" value.

Don't get me wrong, I understand marketing a product.....but I guess some individuals take that marketing a bit more literal than others. 

If any of this makes sense to anyone else...........  :-\
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Re: Build it up, watch it fall
« Reply #22 on: October 08, 2014, 08:48:29 AM »
I understand companies have to market their equipment a certain way to earn money.  Hard to justify a new ball purchase if the ball is pretty much the same as the it was last year.  The company will tell the customer what they want to hear.

Though not bowling related, this video is a great example how marketers target their consumers.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKTORFmMycQ

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Re: Build it up, watch it fall
« Reply #23 on: October 08, 2014, 10:09:11 AM »
Oh, Good Times, I'm not saying their logic is sound by any reason. Heck, look at the people who crave overseas balls. Some of these guys and gals are willing to pay way over normal retail prices for a ball just because it's unique and is likely to be something that nobody else in the building will have. It's the same thing with all of the so-called "gems" that people try to sell on here, ebay, and FB for $300+. I don't care if it's my favorite ball of all time, I'm not personally willing to spend that much because I think there are other balls out there that will give me just as good a chance of scoring without taking me to the poor house. Now, I don't criticize people who want to spend that much; it's just a difference in the way we view things.

I think that those of us on these boards need to sometimes appreciate that we view bowling differently than a lot of other bowlers. For a long time, I never understood the guys who treated league night like it was match play at the U.S. Open (like I would know what that's really like, lol). My thought was always, it's league; I want to bowl well, but it's not a serious competitive environment to me. However, I had to realize that league is all a lot of those guys have; they don't bowl tournaments like I do, so that is their one shot to get serious about the game, and that is their right. It's the same thing with bowling ball decisions. WE tend to think in terms of arsenals, overall usability, shot shape, etc. They like bright colors, interesting fragrances, and having the newest ball that will help them wow everyone with how much it hooks. We may not agree with their logic, but it doesn't necessarily mean that they're wrong and we're right.

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Re: Build it up, watch it fall
« Reply #24 on: October 08, 2014, 10:45:34 AM »
WE tend to think in terms of arsenals, overall usability, shot shape, etc. They like bright colors, interesting fragrances, and having the newest ball that will help them wow everyone with how much it hooks. We may not agree with their logic, but it doesn't necessarily mean that they're wrong and we're right.

If scoring is the goal I'll go ahead and say it, yes we are right.

BUT, if "looking good" or some........I don't even know what you'd call it, some emotional/illogical appearance based "thing" is the goal and NOT SCORING, well then......I guess have at it.  Amazing how scoring is what truly gives the "wow" factor.  ;)

As noted before, I do respect their right to an opinion.  I will however note that mine is based in logic and theirs is based on......................some other thing(?).

Scoring says I'm still right and they're still wrong (again, assuming they want to score).  If that is not the goal.........if LOOKS IS the goal (and I can't possibly fathom how a new ball would make me "wow" everyone).......well (lol) I guess have at a new ball.

Look, I'm more than willing to take their money, I'll even smile and chat them up while doing it.   ;)  ;)  ;D  ;D  :P
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Re: Build it up, watch it fall
« Reply #25 on: October 08, 2014, 11:21:36 AM »
The only real selling point is trying to come out with an even bigger hook monster, because that is what 80% of league bowlers want.  The problem with that strategy is that there is only so much friction that can be utilized, and the strong low rg asymmetric cores combine with the shells to make the burn out problem even worse for all but very high speed players.  Especially an issue on house shots with so much friction to the right. 

That is the reason you don't get any consensus on what ball is a flop.  Every ball out there fits somebodies style.

Also the IQ tour solid was mentioned as a flop.  Actually, most tournament bowlers who play on a variety of flatter patterns would call it one of the key balls in their arsenal.  On house shots I agree that it is nowhere near as good for me, but I didn't buy mine for house shots. 

I haven't thrown the Optimus yet, but if it is as close to the Marvel Pearl as they contend, it will be another winner on tournament patterns. 

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Re: Build it up, watch it fall
« Reply #26 on: October 08, 2014, 11:27:41 AM »
Avabob,  the poster meant the original IQ was a flop, not the IQ Tour.

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Re: Build it up, watch it fall
« Reply #27 on: October 08, 2014, 11:28:57 AM »
Great points, Bob! I sometimes think it would be wise for manufacturers to only market middle-of-the-road, skid-flip balls as hook monsters since those are the only balls likely to offer a lot of hook on most THS. When you take a rough-surfaced solid reactive with a low rg. and throw it on house China, you're usually going to have the ball DOA shortly after it crosses the arrows because there is simply not enough oil to keep the ball alive. When that happens, the bowlers who bought those hook-in-a-box beasts throw their hands into the air and complain that their Cyclone or Tropical Heat hooks more than the new oil eater they bought. As such, it might be wiser to market the middle-of-the-pack stuff as being the hook monsters since those balls will usually retain enough energy to actually hook.