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buying balls online vs. pro shop
« on: December 03, 2005, 04:47:19 PM »
I totally realize that pro shops have to mark up items to make a profit so they can make a living.

I was just at my pro shop today and they want $219 for Ebonite The One.  Thats not counting tax, drilling, thumb slug, finger inserts, etc.

Online proshops are selling it around $125, about $140ish total for shipping and if you have it drilled by them your still way under the cost you would pay to just buy it from the pro shop without drilling.

Once I bought my dexter SST 5 LX shoes from my pro shop. I didn't realize it but I paid almost $25 dollars more through them than if I would have bought them online. I felt like I got ripped off a little.

Anyone have any comments or experiences purchasing balls w/ drilling through online vendors?

 

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Re: buying balls online vs. pro shop
« Reply #1 on: December 04, 2005, 05:39:42 PM »
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The proshop I go to is way cheaper than the internet! I paid $72 after shipping for a PG Dry/r. After drilling (which was $25 with finger tips and slug), it was $97. That same day I saw in the prop shop he was selling the same ball for $79 with drilling, thumb slug and finger grips! So, I guess it's how bad of a jew your pro shop guy is. Mine isn't @ all and think god for it.

I am thinking about getting a BVP Goliath, and hes going to charge me $110. Not bad since after shipping on the internet it's..$104.

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Your comparison isn't that great.  Most people would tell you there is little benefit to buying an entry line or mid-line ball from an internet pro shop, for the reason you just saw.  But, when you can pick up stuff like the Paradigm for 130 shipped or less, it becomes a bigger factor.  

PS-  You are lucky though.  110 drilled for a BVP ball is a good price for sure.  ARound 150 drilled in the shops vaguely close to me.
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Re: buying balls online vs. pro shop
« Reply #2 on: December 04, 2005, 05:41:48 PM »
Here is the thing you really need to look at.  Yes you save money.  MOST etailors of bowling merchandise is simply a guy stitting at a computer monitoring his web site, and he has NO overhead costs.  He is taking the approach that if he sells 1000 items a day, at a 10.00 profit, then thats a hell of a living.  

The customer makes an order, and a distributor ships it out.  You said 127 for the ONE.  I can tell you for a fact that my pro shop guy cannot get the ball for that amount.  So why should a pro shop sell it for LESS than what he pays, and still needs to make up overhead.  

The other thing is, a lot of pro shops in my area have their prices with DRILLING INCLUDED (I dont know, its just how it is).  So, you have to keep that in mind.  There are too many guys out there that pay 127 for THE ONE, and then complain when they are slapped with a 60 Drill Fee.  Lets see here, how much do you really think you should be saving.  Geez... Even if the shop sells it for 189, you are STILL SAVING MONEY.

If you do not like the cost of drilling, go out and buy yourself a drill press, a ball scale, some drill bits, and then you can drill your own stuff.  

I for one will always go to my local pro shop, unless I can get something used from someone on here.


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Re: buying balls online vs. pro shop
« Reply #3 on: December 04, 2005, 05:48:33 PM »
What most people don't understand, is that by the time you figure in shipping costs, drilling, inserts, and tax, you are pretty much back up to retail anyway, in most cases.  Also....like rotofan said, you do not know exactly what you will get.  A pro shop operator, such as myself, can ask for specific pin placements when ordering through a distributor.  Some guys with loyalty to pro shops can receive a discount not given to most other bowlers as well.  There are pros and cons of buying through both.
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Re: buying balls online vs. pro shop
« Reply #4 on: December 04, 2005, 05:55:36 PM »
Brinen, I really hope you weren't responding to the original post.  Otherwise it shows you are too busy preaching on your soap box to know how to read.  I.E., he said his shop charges 219 for the one without drilling charges.  What happens to your theory now?  Whoops.  As far as my math goes...$140 plus (let's assume) $60 for base drill, plus 10 for grips and another 10 for slug.  That's 220 without tax.  Uh oh, that's the base price (w/o tax) of the ball with no drill costs factored in.

Next time take the time to read before you paste the same thing you always say.  Because your little rant just failed.
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Re: buying balls online vs. pro shop
« Reply #5 on: December 04, 2005, 06:02:53 PM »
My response was in refernece to TrimMan's Post of:

That is absurd. I paid $172 with drilling and all. My pro shop guy makes a decent living too, selling them at this price. If you were someone just to walk in, $189 drilled + tax.

I was going off of that example.

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Re: buying balls online vs. pro shop
« Reply #6 on: December 04, 2005, 06:06:13 PM »
local pro shop is the key here, the money will stay in your town and I would beat some of it would go to support your Local bowling lanes, if the pro shop owner bowls.  If I would ever have a problem my pro shop would take care of me.  That counts for a lot to me.
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Re: buying balls online vs. pro shop
« Reply #7 on: December 04, 2005, 08:10:23 PM »
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local pro shop is the key here, the money will stay in your town and I would beat some of it would go to support your Local bowling lanes, if the pro shop owner bowls.  If I would ever have a problem my pro shop would take care of me.  That counts for a lot to me.
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Im with this guy. I've tried several Pro Shops to finally find one that knows how to drill a ball for me where its extremely comfortable on release. I used to buy online all the time. Never had a real problem with getting the ball with my preferred specs. I just thought about it a while back and figured id rather support a local proshop then paysome one ill never meet. I get decent discounts, free inserts at any time, I can get a ball drilled and pay for it at a later time, that sort of stuff. Thats something you wont get at a online proshop plus you get the friendship of the proshop owner.
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Re: buying balls online vs. pro shop
« Reply #8 on: December 04, 2005, 08:18:12 PM »
I've thought about buying a ball online a few times, but I have such a great relationship with my pro shop, that I just can't bring myself to do it. I just bought a new ball from him last monday. If I'd have bought the same ball online, paid shipping and taken it to him to be drilled and thrown in slugs, grips, etc. I'd probably have ended up at almost the same price. Maybe would have saved $10. But that $10 bought me peace of mind knowing that the weight was what I wanted, that pin was what I needed, and knowing that the ball isn't a second or blem. Oh and that the ball was round... (Don't laugh, my driller says he's had a couple of balls brought in from off the internet that weren't even perfectly round.....)
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Re: buying balls online vs. pro shop
« Reply #9 on: December 05, 2005, 07:49:41 AM »
Speaking from a person who has both an online shop AND a physical land based business I can tell you this....

1. A lower price tag is not always everything.
2. The customer service a local pro shop can offer is a valuable tool for you to use as a growing bowler. Notice I say "can be"....some pro shops I have been in are nothing more than guys with a drill press who want to make money...beware!!!
3. Online is your only choice on many occasions if you are looking for old, discontinued or hard to find items.
4. It is all but inmpossible for your local shop to stock one of everything....the $$$$ and space constraints are just unreal.


I am still a firm advocate of going to the local guys first. If the local guys are junk, by all means go elsewhere. The ability of an in-house to turn on a pair of lanes and have you throw a ball or 2 before and after drilling is a huge advantage. Not only can I get an accurate reading of your track, rev rate and PAP specs but also see your style. After the sale I can watch the bowler to see if the fit is what he needs, see if the ball reads the lane where it is supposed to, check the reaction and such. ALl of the post-purchase adjustments from me are free...sand, polish, bevel, change finger size or thumb size etc...but only if you buy the ball from me.

More than likely the reason the local guy is more expensive is because he cannot generate enough volume in sales to get the super deals that the online resellers do. Most online guys get hooked up with a major supplier and they work together to get a better price by buying direct from the manufacturer. The "little guy" just can't do that unless he gets some help from the local clientele.

As for my pricing, it's pretty standard but I think it's a great deal if you take advantage of the included benefits. Drilled and out the door pricing examples:

Storm Paradigm...$205
Ebonite The One...$195
Columbia EPX-T1...$215
Brunswick Power Grooves...$110
Columbia White Dots...$65
Lane 1 Tsunami...$205
Lane 1 XXXL...$134
Ebonite Big Time...$140

Included in the price are the following:
Drilling
Finger inserts
Thumb Slug
Free weekly cleanings
Surface adjustments
1/2 price replacement inserts
Coaching if needed to help with adjustments
Free emergency repair
Discounts on accessories if purchased at the same time
Entry into my incentive program (throw an honor score with the ball and receive a $50 gift certificate to my shop)

I also offer discounts based on the amount of product you have purchased from me over the last 6-12 months. You can bet your arse I am going to give the guy who buys 6 balls a year a price break....but that guy that buys a ball every 3 years is going to pay full price.

I don't know of ANY online seller that can offer that to the customers. I even extend this offer to people across the Net....you buy the ball from me, send me your specs, I'll drill it and ship it to you.

So as I said price isn't everything...service is. As a retail manager I have custoemr service drilled into my head on a daily basis and it is true...take care of your custoemrs and they will take care of you.

But if you want to talk price and why local is USUALLY (Not always but usually) more expensive you need to look no further than the following items:

1. Cost of stocking inventory...do you think that every pro shop owns all of what it has in stock...if you do, think again
2. Rent...many shops pay as much as $3-4000 per month in rent. I am fortunate and house owned shops don't pay but still it's there for most in 1 form or another.
3. Cost of doing business...most guys online use their computer and that's it. In addition to printer ink the local guy has the following: layout pencils and tools, polish, sandpaper, rags, invoice pads, drill spec pads, inserts to stock, interest being paid on their stock inventory, drill bits, drill bit sharpening, drilling equipment and maintenance, transportation to and from the pro shop, laundry (not only clothing but also rags, towels and polishing cloths), etc, etc etc....

What I can guarantee is this....you support the local guy and he'll take care of you. But if you bring in 5 balls per year off the Internet he'll charge you to drill them and you may come out ahead financially but I guarantee (unless he's good friend or something) that you won't get the top notch service and consideration as if you bought them there.

This is only my view but, again, I think I have a pretty good view since I am personally involved in all 3 aspects of this topic...customer, physical shop owner and an Internet site seller...
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Re: buying balls online vs. pro shop
« Reply #10 on: December 05, 2005, 10:38:38 AM »
I buy most of my stuff online from Doug. I have switched to Lane #1 only and it is very hard to find locally. I may be getting a new Power Groove from the shop where I bowl. They are charging $90 drilled plus inserts. I have my own inserts for it, so I can save some money there. But Doug does such a good job that I can't get here locally so far. The guy that is running the shop here can match my current grip almost as good as Doug but he is not very knowledgable in different drillings so you have to keep it fairly simple. I used to use a different guy but everything I got from him always chipped out around the thumb hole and he would then charge me for fixing it. So 6-8 months down the road I would have to spend $25 to get it fix. This is not acceptable to me. I have yet to buy a new ball from any where else except Doug and local. I did just get my first used ball from someone on here but it is just for an experiment for awhile and then it is going to a friend that can use it. Just my 2 cents.

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Re: buying balls online vs. pro shop
« Reply #11 on: December 05, 2005, 05:05:27 PM »
i agree, in fact we had a discussion about this in the proshop the other night. We were talkng about ball prices on line and ebay and the proshop owner is in awe at the prices,even after shipping and drilling u can come out cheaper online ,especially if u get free shipping or a combo ball deal in fact he had the one listed at 219 with drilling minus grips and slug i got a ball of ebay for 52 with shipping and had it drilled for 45 shot 267 with it out of the bag i paid 255 for my wmb and have yet to shoot oops i cant say that i have had one or 2 good games...nevermind.
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Re: buying balls online vs. pro shop
« Reply #12 on: December 05, 2005, 08:45:16 PM »
kalannar is "right on" about Doug Sterner. Doug has drilled 5 balls for me in the past and he was extremely accurate on every one of them. I will buy from Doug again and recently planned to, but some health issues have temporarly delayed me.



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Re: buying balls online vs. pro shop
« Reply #13 on: December 05, 2005, 09:40:35 PM »
let me pose a question when is it right for a proshop operator to come up to a league bowler after they have purchased equipment from another proshop.  I know this is online vs. proshop but you want to know what makes a person go online for balls this is what causes it.  

I recently travelled back home to my stomping grounds to visit family and some friends.  Visited my local proshop and the guy who is my friend sold me two balls who was respectivles 180 dollars for a paradigm with drilling and grips and all.  and another ball which was 140 dollars.  After league this guy comes up to me after bowling league who runs the proshop where I currently live. And I quote did we do something to make you mad (mind you all I have ever gotten from this proshop is some ball work done)  I havent purchased a ball yet at all or anything.  He tells me he noticed that I had the new equipment and wanted to know if they had made me mad. Come one number one you dont come to a person to ask them why they did something? Am I just really over reacting or is this justified.  I mean I saved almost 120 dollars per ball as opposed to this proshop where I live.  What do you guys think?

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Re: buying balls online vs. pro shop
« Reply #14 on: December 06, 2005, 04:55:26 AM »
Doug Sterner,

Some version of what you described should go into the Ballreviews FAQ that "Storm-Track" maintains.

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