win a ball from Bowling.com

Author Topic: can a 12 pound ball hit as hard as a 15-16 pound ball  (Read 29908 times)

montymont

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 109
can a 12 pound ball hit as hard as a 15-16 pound ball
« on: January 22, 2010, 01:19:22 PM »
i have a 12 pound ball, a fuze eliminator. i has not hit like i have want it to yet.i wonder is it because its a 12 pound ball not a 15/16 pound one. does that make a difference?

 

guffnuh

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 419
Re: can a 12 pound ball hit as hard as a 15-16 pound ball
« Reply #1 on: January 22, 2010, 09:55:42 PM »
no sh!t sherlock XD
--------------------
High Game: 300 X3
High Series: 814,806
Average: 215
Spokane JBT Titles: 1
Almost 5 years of bowling
14 years old

What's the difference between ignorance and apathy?

I don't know and I don't care!

youtube.com/guffnuh
WATCH MY BOWLING VIDEOS!!!!!

Russell

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 5121
Re: can a 12 pound ball hit as hard as a 15-16 pound ball
« Reply #2 on: January 23, 2010, 06:10:56 AM »
Science experiment:

1- Have someone roll a Tonka truck into your leg at 20 mph...see if it hits hard

2- Have someone drive a dumptruck at you at 20 mph....see if it hits hard
--------------------
Little known fact:  In Russian "Hope" and "Change" translate to "Tax" and "Spend"

hammermark

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 373
Re: can a 12 pound ball hit as hard as a 15-16 pound ball
« Reply #3 on: January 23, 2010, 08:33:30 AM »
A 12 lb ball will deflect more than a heavier ball so it doesn't have the driving forward "force" that a heavier ball would have.  You would definitely notice a difference even if you throw the 16 lb ball slower, it will hold its line and drive forward rather than deflect much less than a lighter 12 lb ball.

HM

pro shop guy

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2403
Re: can a 12 pound ball hit as hard as a 15-16 pound ball
« Reply #4 on: January 23, 2010, 09:02:38 AM »
very important to roll the 12 with a bit slower speed if you want decent carry. I would say around 12-14 max mph. the ball needs to roll NOT skid to have a better chance of carring. Some cover prep might helpp also. IMHO speed is most important, but by no means will a 12 carry the same as a 13, 14,15, or 16. Hope that helps a little.

DON DRAPER

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 5576
Re: can a 12 pound ball hit as hard as a 15-16 pound ball
« Reply #5 on: January 23, 2010, 10:01:22 AM »
if you''re bowling on drier lanes or are a power player who can create more entry angle into the pocket you may be able to carry better. but better than a 15/16 pound ball ? i don''t think so.

Edited on 1/23/2010 11:02 AM

bass

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1063
Re: can a 12 pound ball hit as hard as a 15-16 pound ball
« Reply #6 on: January 23, 2010, 10:07:00 AM »
Throwing a helicopter realease like the southeast asians.
Then you will want to throw lighter equipment.
They want the ball deflecting like crazy in the pin deck area.
--------------------
All things are better when they come from Texas.
free agency it is until i get a better offer.   LMAO

bighook69

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3395
Re: can a 12 pound ball hit as hard as a 15-16 pound ball
« Reply #7 on: January 23, 2010, 10:08:49 AM »
errrr.... throw it 30+ mph at the headpin... OR get a heavier ball

JustinWi

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 350
Re: can a 12 pound ball hit as hard as a 15-16 pound ball
« Reply #8 on: January 23, 2010, 11:19:23 AM »
quote:
But to answer the question, 12lb balls use lighter cores to allow for the lighter weight, and AFIK Brunswick is the only company to use dynamic cores in equipment lighter than 14lb.


Motiv uses the high performance blocks in all weights.

J_w73

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2552
Re: can a 12 pound ball hit as hard as a 15-16 pound ball
« Reply #9 on: January 23, 2010, 11:33:02 AM »
Momentum is mass x speed..

so 16 lbs at 20 mph = 12 lbs at 26.6 mph..

unfortunately, the reaction you get on the lanes is dependent upon speed of the ball regardless of the weight of the ball.
at 26.6 mph you are more than likely not going to get the reaction and angle you need to carry.. unless you have a ton of revs..
If you throw the ball straight at the pocket like a rocket then throwing it harder will help it hit like a 16 pounder..but then throwing harder usually reduces accuracy for most people..
--------------------
16-17 mph,350 rpm,PAP 5 1/2 x 3/8up, HighGame 300 x 4, High Series 808
Book Average 205,PBA Xperience ave180

350 RPM, 17 MPH

Jay

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1312
Re: can a 12 pound ball hit as hard as a 15-16 pound ball
« Reply #10 on: January 23, 2010, 04:56:21 PM »
I throw 15lb and I'll just say that that's just over 12% of my body weight.  I'm thinking about moving down in weight, it might feel better.  I do believe carry would suffer at times though.
--------------------
Justin

1MechEng

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1679
  • Bowling Nerd Herd member
Re: can a 12 pound ball hit as hard as a 15-16 pound ball
« Reply #11 on: January 23, 2010, 10:02:29 PM »
A more appropriate equation is Kinetic Energy (instead of momentum) ...
KE = 1/2*M*v^2

The point is still this:
The momentum or kinetic energy of any bowling ball varies linearly with the mass of the ball.
--------------------
======================
Dan
======================
Engineering * Bowling = a fun and practical application of rotational kinematics.

Bowling Nerd Herd (TM) Member
Dan

astrodanco

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 222
Re: can a 12 pound ball hit as hard as a 15-16 pound ball
« Reply #12 on: January 25, 2010, 12:07:44 PM »
If light as a feather Missy Bellinder can roll 16 LB balls, so can you!

9andaWiggle

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 13414
Re: can a 12 pound ball hit as hard as a 15-16 pound ball
« Reply #13 on: January 25, 2010, 02:59:02 PM »
If I remember right, Columbia made a ball about 5 or so years ago that would... I think it was called someting like the TI Messenger light?  I don't remember exactly, but there was a great review on it here.  That thing, at only 12 or 13 lbs. would hit like a wrecking ball on steroids!!
--------------------
9~

Internet Tough Guy

Cyberspace Sheep Lover

Little Bo Peep has lost her sheep...

I wonder where they went? ;)

HammerTimes4

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 1
Re: can a 12 pound ball hit as hard as a 15-16 pound ball
« Reply #14 on: July 31, 2023, 02:53:58 AM »
I have physical issues so I have to throw a 12lb ball. And going from 15 to 12, I thought would hurt my average. Yet, I went from 187, to 203 in just a month.
Yes it will deflect at times. But mostly with the speed I gained and increased accuracy, it has paid off.
But usually when it hits the pocket.. "Hulk smash" and it sends pins flying. I get more messengers than ever before. My speed went from 13-14, to 16-17mph.. and let me tell you it feels great to hit the pins that hard and watch them splash like I have never seen my ball do before.