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BrunsNick

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CG NOMADDAH VIDEO *Pic Page 2*
« on: April 08, 2007, 08:57:29 PM »
Amending Brunswick's conclusive data of CG irrelevancy for ball reaction & track flare, using Lane #1 Equipment.

Video debuting 04.16.07
edit: 04.18.07 is the new date

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Edited on 4/9/2007 4:57 AM

Edited on 4/9/2007 8:43 PM

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Re: CG NOMADDAH VIDEO *Pic Page 2*
« Reply #16 on: April 09, 2007, 07:52:31 PM »
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Nope.


Well, you do make quality videos, so it should be interesting to watch. However, in fairness, the saying "CG NOMADDAH" should be changed to "CG NOMADDAH if you don't care that the ball is illegal".

At least that would bring more clarity to the debate.
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Re: CG NOMADDAH VIDEO *Pic Page 2*
« Reply #17 on: April 09, 2007, 08:08:06 PM »
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the saying "CG NOMADDAH" should be changed to "CG NOMADDAH if you don't care that the ball is illegal".


I think you are missing the point of the video.  There are numerous ill-informed shop operators (just in my local area), who would fight you to the end in an aguement because they truly believe that a ball with 1/2 oz of side and 1/2 oz of thumb weight will roll differently that the same ball with the same pin position and 1/2 oz neg side and 1/2 oz of finger.  As a matter of fact, I've had a discussion with a local "regional pro" who was convinced that a ball with thumb weight would be his best option for fresh heavy oil (totally ignoring the fact that it was a mild pearl).. simply because of the statics.  What is going to be shown here is that REGARDLESS of statics, symmetric-core balls with identical pin positions react identically.  Whether the difference is between 1/2 pos and 1/2 neg side weight (or 3 oz pos and 3 oz neg side...or finger... or thumb).  This is only to prove a point that it doesn't matter what the ending statics are with regards to reaction.

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Re: CG NOMADDAH VIDEO *Pic Page 2*
« Reply #18 on: April 09, 2007, 08:18:04 PM »
Not being an expert,my only question is this.............
 Since even the best pros don't throw EXACTLY the same speed,rev rate,tilt,rotation,etc on every shot,will these balls be rolled off of a ramp after being placed in the same exact spot on the ramp AND in the same exact starting position with regards to the placement of the finger holes,etc?????????
 Or are they going the be thrown by Brunsnick??????
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Re: CG NOMADDAH VIDEO *Pic Page 2*
« Reply #19 on: April 09, 2007, 08:19:06 PM »
This is going to be great, I can see the collaborative "cat and hairball reflex" from the "kickin' it" supporters out there after all of this is said and done.

http://fear.fiyawerx.net/hairball.jpg
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Re: CG NOMADDAH VIDEO *Pic Page 2*
« Reply #20 on: April 09, 2007, 08:38:30 PM »
Thank you Strapper... The point of the video is to take a common misconception, blow it out proportion to show that even 3oz of difference in sideweight yields no difference.

www.brunsnick.com/cg1.jpg

nd300, if you need further reference without the variable of human error, see this video.

http://www.brunswickbowling.com/uploads/vids/CG_demo_5-05.wmv

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Re: CG NOMADDAH VIDEO *Pic Page 2*
« Reply #21 on: April 09, 2007, 08:53:49 PM »
I've never rolled a ball out in my life, should I expect that with some Lane#1 stuff?
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Re: CG NOMADDAH VIDEO *Pic Page 2*
« Reply #22 on: April 09, 2007, 08:56:07 PM »
I think no matter what, both will roll like crap.


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Re: CG NOMADDAH VIDEO *Pic Page 2*
« Reply #23 on: April 09, 2007, 08:57:12 PM »
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I've never rolled a ball out in my life, should I expect that with some Lane#1 stuff?


I roll-out enough for the both of us...
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Re: CG NOMADDAH VIDEO *Pic Page 2*
« Reply #24 on: April 09, 2007, 08:57:40 PM »
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Nick so your going to tell me that the negative drilled CG is going to react the same or different?
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Re: CG NOMADDAH VIDEO *Pic Page 2*
« Reply #25 on: April 09, 2007, 09:06:12 PM »
What is this video going to show that the earlier Brunswick video didn't?  I know later Brunswick added a weight hole, but wasn't the first part two of the same ball, one with a bunch of positive weight, one with a bunch of negative?  I thought I saw a slight variance of ball reaction, but that might have been from Throbot throwing the ball on the same exact line each time.
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Re: CG NOMADDAH VIDEO *Pic Page 2*
« Reply #26 on: April 09, 2007, 09:13:37 PM »
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What is this video going to show that the earlier Brunswick video didn't?  I know later Brunswick added a weight hole, but wasn't the first part two of the same ball, one with a bunch of positive weight, one with a bunch of negative?  I thought I saw a slight variance of ball reaction, but that might have been from Throbot throwing the ball on the same exact line each time.
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LIAR, UR EYES ARE FOOLING U! ^_^ ... but yea no really slight diff.
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Re: CG NOMADDAH VIDEO *Pic Page 2*
« Reply #27 on: April 09, 2007, 09:14:49 PM »
Strider...

Multiple angles.
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Re: CG NOMADDAH VIDEO *Pic Page 2*
« Reply #28 on: April 09, 2007, 09:26:57 PM »
I would be interested to see the results of the same test on a ball with a more non standard core design.  A MoRich Vanguard core perhaps.

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Re: CG NOMADDAH VIDEO *Pic Page 2*
« Reply #29 on: April 09, 2007, 09:33:13 PM »
This would really only work on a symmetrical core ball. Using a ball with a mass bias even moreso negates the importance of CG (is that possible?!), using it only has a means to dictate x-hole location.
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Re: CG NOMADDAH VIDEO *Pic Page 2*
« Reply #30 on: April 09, 2007, 09:42:11 PM »
I understand completely.  It's just this proposed rule doesn't make alot of sense to me.  On a symmetric core the CG is basically useless, so the rule won't have an major impact, other than forcing people to redrill balls.  But on an asymmetric core, wouldn't this proposed rule make it alot more difficult to lay those balls out legally, and still have freedom getting the desired reaction?  I am no layout expert by any means, but this is just how it comes across to me.
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