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nocarey

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Cracked bowling balls (article)
« on: November 03, 2014, 11:10:33 AM »

 

JustRico

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Re: Cracked bowling balls (article)
« Reply #61 on: November 07, 2014, 09:38:52 AM »
How are you not running the industry that amazes me...ARE WE CLEAR NOW? I happened to work for a little company for a few years and I think, barely in your eyes, that I understand how bowling balls are manufactured and a little thing known as the curing process...with today's 'we need it now' mentality, bowling balls are being pumped out quicker and quicker due to the narrow available window and what was once a week sitting on a shelf cores primarily they are going straight from mold to be poured and shipped out...thus a SHORTER CURING TIME
NOW ARE WE CLEAR MR. ITS ONLY THE SHELL BEING THINNER THAT IS CAUSINF IT?
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Re: Cracked bowling balls (article)
« Reply #62 on: November 07, 2014, 09:47:11 AM »
Do the thinner covers (to make room for bigger cores) affect the rate that the balls cure?

On edit - must have missed this earlier.  You said that the core might still be curing and that would affect the ball during the remainder of the manufacturing process.  I thought the cores were made from a much denser material that wouldn't be trying to make the micro pores that make the covers do what they do.  I never would have thought to place blame on the core.
How DARE you suggest that ;D :D....Mr Rico said it's a CURING PROBLEM...Now Sir...who are you to point out   FACTS...To Mr.RICO...He says it's a curing problem... :D

And Gizmo pointed out "flexible" concrete... ???

So that's it sir....that's the problem...CAUSE THEY SAID SO... ???




Now Rico and Gizmo...I have an example for you...

Take a piece of wood that it 4" THICK and DENSE...And compare it to a piece of
wood that is 1" and porous...

IMO...The 1" piece of wood would crack by hand easier...Than the more THICKER DENSE piece of wood... ;D :D ;)


IMO...these guys sound like our leader...who thinks the Dems DID WELL in the mid term elections... ??? :(


They only see things one way...And if you dare to post your opinion...They blast you...


Well blast away Rico...You really think some of us CARE... ???


we're still clear...right...


HEY STORM, HEY EBONITE...Learn how to CURE your cores...

If you need help...Dial 1-800 JUSTRICO...EXT..GIZMO... ;D

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Re: Cracked bowling balls (article)
« Reply #63 on: November 07, 2014, 09:53:12 AM »
Rico...If I remember...You were in sales for Brunswick..Before they fled the country
to make balls cheaper...

And they got lower wage earners to make their balls...YET THEY DID NOT
PASS THE SAVINGS ON TO THEIR CUSTOMERS...

Their prices on balls are in the same range as Storm and Ebonite models that
are proudly made here in the USA...

Now a few people on here posted their views...Some don't buy into YOUR
views...

So I don't understand why you think you are always right...And then tell
others to move along if we have a different opinion...


I don't believe you worked in the factory making balls...I believe you were in sales...BEFORE they got rid of you...


again...


are we clear

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Re: Cracked bowling balls (article)
« Reply #64 on: November 07, 2014, 10:05:29 AM »
Juggarnut...Triple AAA+++

" IT REALLY DOESNT MATTER.  The majority of bowlers spoke with their dollars long ago, and they voted in the reactive resin era by a WIDE margin. BOWLERS told manufacturers they WANTED and ACCEPTED bowling balls that could possibly crack, as long as it meant they could use them as a mechanical replacement for physical ability."


Now I agree with this 100%

In the last 10-20 years...Today's bowlers want HOOK...And more porous shells
has giving them what they want...

I had a teammate that took the SAME BALL to the ABC's 10 years in a row...

THAT DOES NOT HAPPEN TODAY.... Seldom do I see anyone bringing the same
ball to the USBC's more than ONCE...

Balls are like Cell Phones...As soon as I-Phone 4 comes out...you get rid of 3...

And now that I-Phone 6 is out...You get rid of 5...etc etc...

We are a disposable society...

Today's high end bowler's want performance over durability...It if don't hook... they don't want it...

Every new HP ball that comes out seems to have a more aggressive cover stock..

Columbia's new Melt Down...The most aggressive cover stock to date....Their ads
say...


And once again...Rico old buddy...IMO...I think the thinner more porous cover stocks tend to crack more...

Again...That's my opinion...


we are still clear...right...



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Re: Cracked bowling balls (article)
« Reply #65 on: November 07, 2014, 11:02:54 AM »
A post from Steven...


 Re: Thicker vs. Thinner...
« Reply #6 on: Today at 10:59:26 AM »

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Quote from: milorafferty on Today at 10:26:39 AM

    Oh, I agree with you about balls. I mentioned right off that the problem was with the manufacturing process.


I also posted, because I found it curious that the only recent cracking I experienced was from the same company in balls purchased about the same time.
 
Is it curing or manufacturing? I lean towards manufacturing just because like everything else, companies will do everything they can to streamline and save a buck, even if they know a certain percent will crack. Profit trumps everything. Still, I can see the curing angle as well.
 
I don't really care as long as long as my most recently cracked ball gets replaced.  ;D

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Re: Cracked bowling balls (article)
« Reply #66 on: November 07, 2014, 11:56:02 AM »
I'm fairly certain if I understand the English language that part of manufacturing relates to the curing process...if less time is allowed in normal or necessary production/manufacturing time, then it trickles down...or issues prevail...
Also the porosity of the covers really have not changed as much as you may believe over the past few years....it's called marketing
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Re: Cracked bowling balls (article)
« Reply #67 on: November 07, 2014, 12:19:56 PM »
I'm fairly certain if I understand the English language that part of manufacturing relates to the curing process...if less time is allowed in normal or necessary production/manufacturing time, then it trickles down...or issues prevail...
Also the porosity of the covers really have not changed as much as you may believe over the past few years....it's called marketing
Rico....I was comparing covers from the 90's...AND THEY INDEED WERE THICKER...And the reactive THICK covers from that era were the reason thumb slugs
became so popular...

Many bowlers had problems releasing their thumbs...the THICK shells were to tacky...

Just this week I had a customer bring in his old Piranha...the shell was about 1 1'4" to 1 1/2" thick...

The new ball he bought...The Hot selling Crazy Antic's, had a shell about 3/8" thin...

Now NO WHERE did I ever say that every single ball is CURED probably...

I said...IMO...I do think Storm and Ebonite KNOW HOW TO CURE BALLS...

BUT...IMO...btw,,, IMO means...IN MY OPINION...I feel that thinner more porous shells MAY BE THE REASON MORE BALLS CRACK TODAY COMPARED TO 20-25 YEARS AGO...

That's more than a few years...


Once again Rico...That is simply my opinion...

And our leader, Obama says we have a right to an opinion...



and we can keep our health provider...oops...ok bad example there... ;D :D






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Re: Cracked bowling balls (article)
« Reply #68 on: November 07, 2014, 02:23:59 PM »
I've never really done this here, but you're an effing dumbass jls.  The flexibility of something rigid is to prevent it from cracking due to THERMAL SHOCK.  Going back to the article that started this whole thread, Jeff said to keep your bowling balls in temperature controlled areas to prevent expansion and contraction.  And just because something is more porous doesn't mean we're talking by a lot.  We make concrete that has 6% air in it that is still 6000 psi.  It is just as strong as concrete with no added air AND is more resistant to thermal shock. 

And speaking of reading the English language being a skill, no one EVER said there were any curing problems.  It was said they weren't letting things cure long enough, but that in and of itself is not a problem, it's a poor decision. 

IMO, you're an ignorant dumbass who doesn't know what he's talking about, therefore your opinion is irrelevant.  My entire job revolves around thickness, strength, and porosity of rigid objects and the properties thereof.  I've got a pretty good handle on the concept, and being in research, we've done a bunch of crazy stuff to push limits.  The thickness and porosity of the shell has NOTHING to do with it, and theoretically it should make it withstand temperature fluctuation BETTER, which is what the article is about, and is therefore what we are or should be talking about here. 

Your analogy is also way off.  Temperature isn't a physical force against an object, it is a force of the object against itself.  It takes a lot more force to break something flexible than it does to break something dense and rigid.  Something flexible gives more than something rigid.  Concrete that has no added air, which is therefore more dense, will be destroyed by temperature fluctuation much quicker than concrete that has added air content.  This is BECAUSE it is a more dense object exerting force against a more dense object, or itself.  If a more flexible material is expanding or contracting against itself, it can withstand the force specifically because it is more flexible.  I'm not sure how this isn't making sense. 

However, if using extremes and apples to oranges comparisons is what makes sense to you, it's a hell of a lot easier to snap a pencil than a rubber hose.  The only way the thickness comes into it is if you're suggesting that the thin covers are being damaged into cracking by the repeated impact with the pins and hard objects in the pits.  But seeing as how this thread was started by referencing an article about temperature shock, it would be illogical to assume that's what you're talking about.  HOWEVER, if that IS your argument, then that would be completely logical that something thinner wouldn't be able to withstand the physical force that something thicker would be able to, that makes sense or would at least be a logical argument. 
What would you be if you were attached to another object by an inclined plane, wrapped helically around an axis?

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Re: Cracked bowling balls (article)
« Reply #69 on: November 07, 2014, 02:31:58 PM »
Furthermore, you have an opinion based on your own thoughts, we have fact based arguments.  If it's an opinion about personal taste like music or food, that's one thing, but if your opinion is that 10 is a higher number than 15, that doesn't qualify as an opinion, it just means you're wrong. 
What would you be if you were attached to another object by an inclined plane, wrapped helically around an axis?