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De oiling a ball
« on: September 04, 2016, 06:53:50 AM »
Would it be better to use a Nuball rejuvinator or would a bucket of hot soapy water do the trick just as well?

 

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Re: De oiling a ball
« Reply #16 on: September 04, 2016, 05:43:54 PM »
I used to put my Vertigo in the dishwasher back in the day. I still use it today as my main ball despite all the fears of ruining the ball. People seem to forget these are just spheres of material surrounding a metal core. They aren't exactly fragile lol.
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Re: De oiling a ball
« Reply #17 on: September 04, 2016, 05:59:22 PM »
I keep my NuBall oven on 135 degrees for all my de-oil needs, regardless of brand.

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Re: De oiling a ball
« Reply #18 on: September 04, 2016, 07:05:06 PM »
I keep my NuBall oven on 135 degrees for all my de-oil needs, regardless of brand.
 
 
Then you're exceeding the allowable warranty threshold for extreme temperatures established by some manufacturers, including Motiv. Chances are that you won't cause damage, but who knows?

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Re: De oiling a ball
« Reply #19 on: September 04, 2016, 07:18:22 PM »
I guess I haven't done that method yet, I got this from a shop that was closing a 2nd location and he had the temp set on the unit and i left it.Maybe I should set it a little lower and try your method.

The max recommended temps are not the same for all manufacturers to stay within warranty compliance. Storm (and I believe Brunswick) can be taken up to 140. EBI can be taken to 125. I've found 125 to be effective regardless of brand.

Motiv also specifies 125 degrees F as the upper limit.

Actually, the outside box for Storm and Brunswick give maximum temperatures; EBI brands do not indicate it on the box. Storm, Roto-Grip (and probably AZO and 900Global and AMF) and Brunswick (& DV8 & Radical) say the ball should exceed 125 degrees Fahrenheit.

Ebonite also does not indicate a temperature limit in their warranty on their web site.
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Re: De oiling a ball
« Reply #20 on: September 04, 2016, 08:08:39 PM »

Motiv also specifies 125 degrees F as the upper limit.

Actually, the outside box for Storm and Brunswick give maximum temperatures; EBI brands do not indicate it on the box. Storm, Roto-Grip (and probably AZO and 900Global and AMF) and Brunswick (& DV8 & Radical) say the ball should exceed 125 degrees Fahrenheit.

Ebonite also does not indicate a temperature limit in their warranty on their web site.

 
At one time Storm specified 140 degrees. It's now 125 degrees. I just bought a Storm Rocket Ship, and the box says 125. as does my boxes for my Rocket and Optimus Soild. The 900 Global site says 140 degrees, if it's still accurate. EBI has always had a problem with heat, so it doesn't surprise me they leave temperature off their warranty statement.
 
Regardless, 125 degrees seems to be the majority high mark temperature. 

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Re: De oiling a ball
« Reply #21 on: September 04, 2016, 09:33:13 PM »
Seismic has a steamer. Steam is 212 degrees

update

Found the video. May not boil the water after re-watching the video. It may only get up to the same temp discussed early of 125-150


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nE1MGbHBi0w
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Re: De oiling a ball
« Reply #22 on: September 04, 2016, 11:13:21 PM »
Seismic has a steamer. Steam is 212 degrees

update

Found the video. May not boil the water after re-watching the video. It may only get up to the same temp discussed early of 125-150


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nE1MGbHBi0w

It's not seismic, Sean just demo'd it. It's $739 while the nuball and innovative personal are $189

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Re: De oiling a ball
« Reply #23 on: September 05, 2016, 10:51:03 AM »

It's not seismic, Sean just demo'd it. It's $739 while the nuball and innovative personal are $189

http://www.tosweatbox.com

 
I clean my stuff at the alley throughly before going home. Still, I would expect to get some oil out of my balls using NuBall after 30-50 games, but it almost never happens. Is it possible that the newer resin formulations don't give up oil to dry heat the way older equipment does? 
 
$739 is a big investment, but if it keeps reaction going much longer than dry heat, I might consider it. I'd really like to se a video demonstration where dry heat doesn't do the job, but the sweat box actually works.

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Re: De oiling a ball
« Reply #24 on: September 05, 2016, 02:50:24 PM »
I'm going to have check my unit to see what temperature its at, there isn't any markings on the dial.
and unofficially, EBI is max 125

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Re: De oiling a ball
« Reply #25 on: September 05, 2016, 02:55:13 PM »
I have a two ball rejuvenator that will heat up to 150. 125 is hot enough to deoil any ball. No need to exceed that temperature.

Also, there is no need to take the surface down before deoiling.

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Re: De oiling a ball
« Reply #26 on: September 05, 2016, 03:04:07 PM »
Admittedly, I'm new to de-oil processes.
the 1st few I did didn't seem to work so well (not alot of oil came out of it)
I don't know if it was the characteristics of the cover or what
say 30 games, 3000 grit used, fairly higher volume place
for the purpose of this conversation, it was a Columbia VOW
took it to 500 at someone else suggestion (don't remember who)
got a bunch of oil out of that ball, puddles in fact.
put it at 1000 + polish and it seemed to have similar reaction with less maintenance afterwards since it was now polished

Makes we wonder, what is the proper surface prep for de-oiling use?

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Re: De oiling a ball
« Reply #27 on: September 05, 2016, 03:14:56 PM »
Usually when a person does a de-oil 50-75 games it is also time for a resurface.  As an example using the Storm/Roto Grip resurface chart, for most balls the base grit is 360 or 500.  This besides creating deep peaks & valleys, also opens the pours of the ball surface which allows for a better flow of oil from the ball as you discovered when de-oiling.
Is it necessary....it's a personal choice, but my experience has shown I get more oil from the ball just as you did.  When done finish the resurface and you good to go. 

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Re: De oiling a ball
« Reply #28 on: September 05, 2016, 03:18:28 PM »
Admittedly, I'm new to de-oil processes.
the 1st few I did didn't seem to work so well (not alot of oil came out of it)
I don't know if it was the characteristics of the cover or what
say 30 games, 3000 grit used, fairly higher volume place
for the purpose of this conversation, it was a Columbia VOW
took it to 500 at someone else suggestion (don't remember who)
got a bunch of oil out of that ball, puddles in fact.
put it at 1000 + polish and it seemed to have similar reaction with less maintenance afterwards since it was now polished

Makes we wonder, what is the proper surface prep for de-oiling use?


Some people feel that sanding the ball rough, 360 - 500 grit, "opens up the pores" of the resin surface and helps get more oil out from deeper. I am not sure if that is true, but it s logical "on the surface". CHemically speaking I have no idea if the idea is valid or not; I am not a resin chemist. It certainly doesn't hurt if the ball needs a total resurfacing after you have done an oil extraction. However, if the ball only needs a surface refreshing, sanding it rough can remove extra surface and force you to do a total resurfacing.


FYI, logically speaking if you polish a ball that you previously had dull, you are obviously using or intending to use it on much less oil. Therefore, it will now be subject to less oil and should over the same amount of games, absorb less oil than when it was dull and used on heavier oil.

From a personal perspective, I use many different balls, mostly testing, in league and I not only bowl mostly on light oil, I am diligent in cleaning the ball thoroughly before I leave the center and put my balls back in the bag. Almost no ball I use regularly has had any oil come out of it in the NuBall oven, but I have done many friend's and teammate's balls and almost all have had a little to a lot of oil come out of them.
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Re: De oiling a ball
« Reply #29 on: September 05, 2016, 09:27:08 PM »

 I am diligent in cleaning the ball thoroughly before I leave the center and put my balls back in the bag. Almost no ball I use regularly has had any oil come out of it in the NuBall oven, but I have done many friend's and teammate's balls and almost all have had a little to a lot of oil come out of them.

 
Exactly how I handle my equipment, and what I experience with de-oiling friend's and teammate's balls. Although most of the stuff I put in NuBall that isn't mine tends to be older equipment.
 
I wonder sometimes if the newer resin formulas make oil extraction more difficult. The PBA Regionals and Vegas tournaments I bowl generally use heavier volumes than I see in leagues, and even wiping down between shots, some oil soaks in. I know I'm getting a lot out cleaning immediately after, but there still has to be some accumulation. If there is oil in there, I'm not able to bake it out. Maybe the rigorous regular cleaning is doing the trick. I wish there was some way of knowing for sure.

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Re: De oiling a ball
« Reply #30 on: September 05, 2016, 09:56:38 PM »
I don't get much oil out of my stuff with the NuBall either when I regularly clean after bowling. If I skip cleaning them once or twice though it really comes out. To me it's more of a testament of how good cleaners are today in conjunction with staying on top of cleaning your equipment rather than new resins making oil extraction more difficult.

When I put other people's stuff in it's usually a good mix of older and newer equipment. Haven't found much of a pattern on how much oil comes out of what other than how much their stuff is used relative to how often it's cleaned.