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thewhiz

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De oiling a ball
« on: September 04, 2016, 06:53:50 AM »
Would it be better to use a Nuball rejuvinator or would a bucket of hot soapy water do the trick just as well?
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Re: De oiling a ball
« Reply #31 on: September 05, 2016, 11:44:20 PM »
I agree that consistent ball cleaning seems to slow down the oil accumulation.  I never get any oil out of my Motiv equipment with good cleaning after each session.  My Storm/Roto Grip balls are similar.  However, some will expel oil in the oven.
Now just about every EBI ball along with my Brunswick Strike King expels oil every time I de-oil it.   
So my experience is certain brands need de-oiling more than others. Your experience may be different. 
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Re: De oiling a ball
« Reply #32 on: September 06, 2016, 06:04:30 AM »
Quote from: Steven on September 05, 2016, 09:27:08 PM
Quote from: charlest on September 05, 2016, 03:18:28 PM

 I am diligent in cleaning the ball thoroughly before I leave the center and put my balls back in the bag. Almost no ball I use regularly has had any oil come out of it in the NuBall oven, but I have done many friend's and teammate's balls and almost all have had a little to a lot of oil come out of them.

 
Exactly how I handle my equipment, and what I experience with de-oiling friend's and teammate's balls. Although most of the stuff I put in NuBall that isn't mine tends to be older equipment.
 
I wonder sometimes if the newer resin formulas make oil extraction more difficult. The PBA Regionals and Vegas tournaments I bowl generally use heavier volumes than I see in leagues, and even wiping down between shots, some oil soaks in. I know I'm getting a lot out cleaning immediately after, but there still has to be some accumulation. If there is oil in there, I'm not able to bake it out. Maybe the rigorous regular cleaning is doing the trick. I wish there was some way of knowing for sure.

I wonder, on the other hand, if some of the chemical research being done by manufacturers or resin suppliers is finding resins that can absorb more oil before the absorbed oil begins to affect the performance of balls. I think the possibility is small but present, possible.
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Re: De oiling a ball
« Reply #33 on: September 06, 2016, 10:42:21 AM »
Quote from: Bowlaholic on September 05, 2016, 11:44:20 PM
I agree that consistent ball cleaning seems to slow down the oil accumulation.  I never get any oil out of my Motiv equipment with good cleaning after each session.  My Storm/Roto Grip balls are similar.  However, some will expel oil in the oven.
Now just about every EBI ball along with my Brunswick Strike King expels oil every time I de-oil it.   
So my experience is certain brands need de-oiling more than others. Your experience may be different.

 
I throw a lot of EBI. Which specific balls are you seeing oil from? If we have some of the same, I'd like to experiment.
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Re: De oiling a ball
« Reply #34 on: September 06, 2016, 02:59:26 PM »
My Pivot, Ransom Demand, GB2, & Cyclone.  The Cyclone is the worst.  Always bleeds a ton of oil in a very few games.  Great ball barring the high maintenance.
My Source and 300c solid have been not bled much if any oil.
Do you have any of these?  What is your experience?
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Re: De oiling a ball
« Reply #35 on: September 06, 2016, 05:03:28 PM »
Quote from: Bowlaholic on September 05, 2016, 11:44:20 PM
I agree that consistent ball cleaning seems to slow down the oil accumulation.  I never get any oil out of my Motiv equipment with good cleaning after each session.  My Storm/Roto Grip balls are similar.  However, some will expel oil in the oven.
Now just about every EBI ball along with my Brunswick Strike King expels oil every time I de-oil it.   
So my experience is certain brands need de-oiling more than others. Your experience may be different. 

Same here with Motiv.  Put all my equipment in a ball oven and have yet to see any significant oil. I don't religiously clean either.  I put my Dad's Radical and Storm in and oil pours out immediately.
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Re: De oiling a ball
« Reply #36 on: September 06, 2016, 06:51:02 PM »
Quote from: J_w73 on September 06, 2016, 05:03:28 PM
Quote from: Bowlaholic on September 05, 2016, 11:44:20 PM
I agree that consistent ball cleaning seems to slow down the oil accumulation.  I never get any oil out of my Motiv equipment with good cleaning after each session.  My Storm/Roto Grip balls are similar.  However, some will expel oil in the oven.
Now just about every EBI ball along with my Brunswick Strike King expels oil every time I de-oil it.   
So my experience is certain brands need de-oiling more than others. Your experience may be different. 

Same here with Motiv.  Put all my equipment in a ball oven and have yet to see any significant oil. I don't religiously clean either.  I put my Dad's Radical and Storm in and oil pours out immediately.

Motiv balls seem to be stronger than average, yet also seem to absorb as little oil as Lane Masters coverstocks. Actually, I'm not sure if they absorb little or they let go of almost no oil.
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Re: De oiling a ball
« Reply #37 on: September 06, 2016, 07:44:29 PM »
I have 7 Motiv balls, the Raptor Talon, all the Sigmas, three Venoms (Strike, Shock, & Toxin).  Really never got any oil from any of them.
If the coverstocks were designed to "hold" the oil and not expel it even under heat, then I would expect a loss in reaction.  That has never happened to me.  All I ever do is resurface and the balls continue to perform.
Motiv covers seem to be harder than most.  You can sense/feel it when resurfacing.  Perhaps they just don't absorb oil like we expect from a modern bowling ball. So I guess that means they are not stripping oil from the lane, but actually pushing the oil around and causing carrydown.
But, I believe Joe S. stated there is no such thing as carry down, so ??? 
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Re: De oiling a ball
« Reply #38 on: September 06, 2016, 07:55:37 PM »
Quote from: Bowlaholic on September 06, 2016, 07:44:29 PM
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But, I believe Joe S. stated there is no such thing as carry down, so ??? 
When everyone uses resin, there is little chance of carrydown.

When your league follows a women's, senior's, children's or mixed handicap league or open bowling, all of which use plastic/polyester and urethane, you WILL get carrydown.
Period. End of story.
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« Reply #39 on: September 07, 2016, 12:07:49 AM »
In regard to the Motiv balls, they had those videos where they put them in the bucket of oil or something like that. To show how it didn't affect them.

New Motiv balls all seem to have a strong chemical smell, I wonder could they be treating them in something or using a additive that has some affect on the absorbed oil.

Or maybe something like the "chemical friction" additive Radical talked a couple of times about.
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Re: De oiling a ball
« Reply #40 on: September 07, 2016, 02:24:06 PM »
Quote from: Bowlaholic on September 06, 2016, 02:59:26 PM
My Pivot, Ransom Demand, GB2, & Cyclone.  The Cyclone is the worst.  Always bleeds a ton of oil in a very few games.  Great ball barring the high maintenance.
My Source and 300c solid have been not bled much if any oil.
Do you have any of these?  What is your experience?

 
I have the Pivot. I just threw it yesterday for the first time in 2 years. It was fresh heavy THS, and I cleaned with Hook-It after 4 games of use. I always immediately cleaned it with Hook-It when I first got it. I put the Pivot in NuBall today, and after 30 minutes, nothing baked to the surface. Maybe I have to get 30-50 additional games before enough accumulates, even with rigorous cleaning, to bleed out.
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Re: De oiling a ball
« Reply #41 on: September 07, 2016, 03:16:33 PM »
I bought my Pivot used off ebay.  So I have no idea how it was maintained.  I started using it for about 10-15 games and I was not overly impressed with it.  Disappointing because so many raved about the ball.  I put it in the oven and it expelled oil.  When I got all the oil out, I resurfaced it and viola the ball sprang to life.  Don't use it much anymore, so I don't know if I would get any oil out of it now.
In my experience the Cyclone is a great ball, but it soaks up oil like a sponge.  I could put it in the oven every 10 games and it would bleed tons of oil each time.  I don't know if all Cyclones are like mine, but that's my experience with it.
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Re: De oiling a ball
« Reply #42 on: September 07, 2016, 04:57:28 PM »
Some pretty good input here about these ovens. I am also on the fence about getting one since I am one of the people that religiously clean each ball after every session. I'll start with a spray cleaner and if that doesn't get everything off then I'll go to a clean and dull or hook it to make sure it's spotless. Just recently picked up a cyclone myself and only have used it for about 5 games so far. I'm curious of the effects of cleaning it every session if it would be worth it to invest in one. From all the posts so far it seems like the people that get the most oil out are the ones that don't do care for their coverstocks very often.
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Bowlaholic

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Re: De oiling a ball
« Reply #43 on: September 07, 2016, 10:09:36 PM »
bowlingman817,
I hope you do not think from any of my posts that I don't clean my bowling balls immediately after each session, because I do.

I think regular cleaning for balls like Motiv may be the reason so many folks have a hard time getting the balls to expel oil.
Yet, other brands/balls will expel oil no matter how much you clean them right after a bowling session.
I'm glad I invested in a ball oven (Nuball).  It has done the job
for me on the balls that need de-oiling based on their cover stock characteristics. Hope this clarifies any of my posts for you.
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Re: De oiling a ball
« Reply #44 on: September 07, 2016, 10:50:39 PM »
Yeah, I'd like to clarify from my post earlier too. Even though I don't regularly get oil out of my bowling balls because I'm usually on top of cleaning them right away I still love my NuBall oven. So much faster and easier than the mess with hot water and soap and it also  gets oil out better from my experience. Would definitely recommend one to anybody who's serious about maintaining their equipment.
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Re: De oiling a ball
« Reply #45 on: September 10, 2016, 09:00:42 AM »
I'm just more than a beginner and didn't know that de-oiling a ball even existed until about a year ago.

That said, I live in a part of the country where many heat with wood. I put the ball (I have 2, Cyclone and GB2 MVP) on an upside down bucket near the wood stove. I monitor the surface temperature with a laser thermometer ($30 at Harbor Freight Tools) and keep it under 150 F.

The Cyclone gushes oil. I think it makes its own! I put a rag under it and it's drenched. The GB2, less so but still a lot. Obviously, I only de-oil in the colder months.
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