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RyboFlavin

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Engraved Logos
« on: November 22, 2011, 05:46:05 AM »
With it being so easy to pretty drastically change the reaction of modern equipment by making minor surface modifications (going from 1000-2000-4000 grit, etc.), I've always wondered why the manufacturers place huge engraved logos right in the track area.  How can this not affect the reaction when such minor surface changes do affect it?  Anyway, just something I've been curious about.
 
 

 
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Re: Engraved Logos
« Reply #1 on: November 22, 2011, 03:23:41 PM »
Well the reaction is going to be the same from shot to shot if you are rolling over the logo the same each time. But I agree that they could shift the logo away from the area that quite often ends up in the track area.


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Re: Engraved Logos
« Reply #2 on: November 22, 2011, 03:42:43 PM »
With the amount of individuals that roll the ball differently, as well as the amount of flare that the stronger cores create where do you think a safe zone is? The way balls are laid out there are NO safe areas for logos....


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Re: Engraved Logos
« Reply #3 on: November 22, 2011, 05:32:33 PM »
Ten inches left of the CG perpendicular to the pin/CG line. Granted there are tons of different styles and left/right delivery but this would move it away from the majority of bowlers and layouts.
 



JustRico wrote on 11/22/2011 4:42 PM:
With the amount of individuals that roll the ball differently, as well as the amount of flare that the stronger cores create where do you think a safe zone is? The way balls are laid out there are NO safe areas for logos....


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Re: Engraved Logos
« Reply #4 on: November 22, 2011, 06:13:23 PM »

Appears that MOTIV has resolved this problem!!

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Re: Engraved Logos
« Reply #5 on: November 22, 2011, 10:33:35 PM »
So true!
 
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Appears that MOTIV has resolved this problem!!



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Re: Engraved Logos
« Reply #6 on: November 22, 2011, 10:45:29 PM »
Very good point.
 



JOE FALCO wrote on 11/22/2011 7:13 PM:

Appears that MOTIV has resolved this problem!!



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Re: Engraved Logos
« Reply #7 on: November 23, 2011, 12:05:39 AM »
 So how many think its an issue? Is it the difference in you scoring well and not? Not very likely. I'd probably work on fixing other things that matter versus things that do not.

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Re: Engraved Logos
« Reply #8 on: November 23, 2011, 04:26:42 AM »
I'll put the flip side on it. 
 
How many worry about dings and gouges in your track?  How is that different than rolling over engravings?


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Re: Engraved Logos
« Reply #9 on: November 23, 2011, 07:04:59 AM »
If it isn't a divot or chunk missing it isn't an issue. Since all of the bowling ball I have with engraving are filled and flush with the ball I'm not concerned. It doesn't appear to have affected any ones scoring this day and time. Seems the honors scores have only increased the passed 15 years.

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Re: Engraved Logos
« Reply #10 on: November 23, 2011, 07:15:53 AM »
I like a little track put on the ball from the old wood lanes I bowl on, for some reason (may be psychological) balls seem more consistant shot to shot.  But chunks (even small ones) and gouges......I just wont throw that ball or I'll have it cut on the resurfacing machine and start fresh.  Placement of engravings personally don't bug me, but to each their own I suppose. 
 



scotts33 wrote on 11/23/2011 5:26 AM:
I'll put the flip side on it. 

 

How many worry about dings and gouges in your track?  How is that different than rolling over engravings?


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Re: Engraved Logos
« Reply #11 on: November 23, 2011, 10:50:33 AM »
I always wondered how much the engravings affect ball motion - if at all. I know some people don't believe it affects anything, but when we're talking about today's hypersensitve coverstocks, it's hard for me to imagine that it doesn't have SOME effect.

 


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Re: Engraved Logos
« Reply #12 on: November 23, 2011, 01:52:14 PM »
Interestingly enough, I spoke with a former ball tester for Ebonite and he said they found that the more engravings there were the more pin action you get. He said they actually got a result of about 21% more pin action from an extremely engraved ball to a unengraved ball. He was saying the sharp edges of the engraving help grip and throw the pins more. So there is another factor we need to keep inn mind. He actually was telling me that is why Ebonite went to the laser etching because it provides a sharper more jagged edge to grip pins.

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Re: Engraved Logos
« Reply #13 on: November 23, 2011, 03:58:40 PM »

I believe (only my opinion) that the engraving has little to no effect on the pin mix. Chips/nicks in the tract area (from what I've heard) have a bad reaction on the ball roll (have no idea why) .. if the chips do have an effect on ball roll then I would imsgine that engraving in the tract area would alco effect the roll .. does anyone have experience to conclude that ball roll is effected by chips in the tract area?

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Re: Engraved Logos
« Reply #14 on: November 23, 2011, 04:46:02 PM »
Hypersensitive coverstocks? What is that? Todays bowling balls have bigger hooking more aggressive covers then ever. It's not plastic or urethane where your trying to split boards, most people are just trying to put the ball some where on the right half of the lane and hope it doesn't over hook.
 
My guess is that if logos were a negative issue in any form it would be addressed. With all the money spent on cores and coverstock technologies it would be an inexpensive problem to fix.
 
I guess with people hooking the ball more then ever I'm not sure how it could be much of a thought to someone. Honestly you got straight bowlers throwing hook monsters covering more boards then they can handle, and logos may be taking away from that??? Really???  97% of the ball vs maybe 3% at most.


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