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SG17

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Favorite skid/snap ball for 2023
« on: February 28, 2023, 07:23:27 PM »
the last couple seasons I have struggled to find a skid/snap ball with easy length to add to the arsenal.  the ball that best fits that role for me currently is my nuclear cell.  and it is a good ball but it is not quite what I want.  and honestly I think it just isnt turning hard enough on the back end.

I have tried others, most recently the dark code, and it offers length but with how it was drilled it is a less pronounced backend than the Nuclear Cell.

so, any brand, a skid/snap ball for the medium oil or worn down long oil what do you like?  My eyes today take me to the eternity and Katana Assault.  any others I should ask about?

 

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Re: Favorite skid/snap ball for 2023
« Reply #1 on: February 28, 2023, 07:36:19 PM »
Is it possible you're in too big of a ball for what you're looking for?

Personally, I like lower intermediate diff balls for that spot. I have a 900G Money Badger that I love later in tournament blocks.

I also recently drilled an overseas HB Extreme Pearl as something similar but a step up because the UC2 was discontinued and 900G haven't brought back the Honey Badger series yet

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Re: Favorite skid/snap ball for 2023
« Reply #2 on: February 28, 2023, 09:44:24 PM »
I mostly bowl a sport league and currently we are bowling on a 44 foot long, somewhat heavy oil pattern.  I think it is dead man's curve; or that might be next.  on fresh I am able to find a good shot with a proton physix.  when it breaks down, the proton is just starting to check up too much and eventually moving left and bringing the ball more inside gets to the point where entry angles are not conducive for me to carry.

on the current pattern, the nuclear cell finds itself in a bit of over/under.  playing where I think I should be, the ball isnt quite enough.  however if i move a bit right and try to be straighter, the ball is too much. 

my other options for a ball down from the Proton have fared worse than the Nuke.  Axiom is a strong solid that also checks up early.  Dark Code struggles more to turn the corner.  IQ Tour Nano Pearl doesnt give the right entry angle to carry.  After Dark might as well be plastic. 

it very likely is a me problem and not an equipment one; but with the NC, it almost to the point I don't trust it and replacement is best.

But thanks for the ideas.  I may know someone that has a badger I could try.  a team mate has similar enough specs for pitches and spans that we can share equipment in a pinch and he throws a lot of Global stuff; so may have a badger in the closet I can borrow for a couple weeks.

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Re: Favorite skid/snap ball for 2023
« Reply #3 on: February 28, 2023, 09:49:14 PM »
I have a Nuclear Cell too and it can be pretty forward off the spot. That's where the not turning hard enough on the back end comes from. Good ball, but I agree it doesn't quite fit that slot.

The Eternity is really clean. I'm not sure if it's just the reacta gloss finish or some weird combo between cover and core but that thing gets down the lane a long ways. It still recovers though and with a more continuous motion through the pins than the Nuclear Cell. I think it fits what your looking for. The Absolute could fit in there too but it's a bit rounder off the spot with a way weaker cover.

Also agree on the Dark Cell. To my eye none of the balls with the ReX cover are real clean or strong off the spot. The Night Road might be the closest but with that core it's hard to be too early (under 16 lbs.).

A lot of the higher-end Brunswick family pearls with the HK22 base cover look pretty good too. 3D Offset Attack is the first one that comes to mind and the Black Widow Hybrid 2.0 is almost here too. Katana Assault, Innovator, maybe the Paragon Hybrid. Tons of good stuff out there.

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Re: Favorite skid/snap ball for 2023
« Reply #4 on: February 28, 2023, 10:20:52 PM »
I mostly bowl a sport league and currently we are bowling on a 44 foot long, somewhat heavy oil pattern.  I think it is dead man's curve; or that might be next.  on fresh I am able to find a good shot with a proton physix.  when it breaks down, the proton is just starting to check up too much and eventually moving left and bringing the ball more inside gets to the point where entry angles are not conducive for me to carry.

on the current pattern, the nuclear cell finds itself in a bit of over/under.  playing where I think I should be, the ball isnt quite enough.  however if i move a bit right and try to be straighter, the ball is too much. 

my other options for a ball down from the Proton have fared worse than the Nuke.  Axiom is a strong solid that also checks up early.  Dark Code struggles more to turn the corner.  IQ Tour Nano Pearl doesnt give the right entry angle to carry.  After Dark might as well be plastic. 

it very likely is a me problem and not an equipment one; but with the NC, it almost to the point I don't trust it and replacement is best.

But thanks for the ideas.  I may know someone that has a badger I could try.  a team mate has similar enough specs for pitches and spans that we can share equipment in a pinch and he throws a lot of Global stuff; so may have a badger in the closet I can borrow for a couple weeks.

That's actually a lot of helpful information.

The Eternity could work well in that spot, another option from the Storm side would be the RST X-3 trying to think of some length and shape. At least for me and others around me, the X-3 is sharper off the spot while the X-2 was a little weaker and more rounded.

The new BW 2.0 Hybrid is also very impressive.

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Re: Favorite skid/snap ball for 2023
« Reply #5 on: March 01, 2023, 07:14:28 AM »
I am going to go into a different direction with this.  You are asking for skid snap yet mentioning you are mostly bowling on a 44 foot pattern.  On 44 feet you are already going to get plenty of "skid".  The only way you are going to get any snap from any ball is something called friction which there isnt much of on 44 feet.  I am a slightly rev dominate two hander that has a difficult time getting anything to turn the corner on my standard league shot when I have to move deeper.  I even bought a Fate laid out 45 x 4.75 x 25 and the ball skids for days when I move inside.  It is like 50 feet of nothing.  I even took the ball down to 2000 in hopes to get the cover to dig a little more and still nothing.  But as soon as I miss right where the friction is it is the most uncontrollable thing I have ever thrown down a lane.  The issue is that you are looking for snap on a pattern that isnt going to really allow for that.  Right now, the HK22 additive is about the best thing right now regarding response off of friction.  So that is the direction I would go.
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Re: Favorite skid/snap ball for 2023
« Reply #6 on: March 01, 2023, 11:13:53 AM »
I agree with TWOHANDS, skid flip balls on a 44 foot pattern tend to give an inconsistent reaction at the end of the pattern, especially when they break down it can become a very wet/dry condition.  I have generally found that asymmetrical or smooth strong core symetrical tends to work best in those scenarios.  The key is to get inside of the area that gets blown up by all the big balls on the fresh and use that area to bank off of, as you move left on longer patterns, you'll generally find a lot of hold along with the bank area.

Ball surface can be key here, polished is generally bad on long patterns unless they really get blown up but that won't happen in a 3 game league setting in most scenarios.

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Re: Favorite skid/snap ball for 2023
« Reply #7 on: March 01, 2023, 11:35:39 AM »
I mostly bowl a sport league and currently we are bowling on a 44 foot long, somewhat heavy oil pattern.  I think it is dead man's curve; or that might be next.  on fresh I am able to find a good shot with a proton physix.  when it breaks down, the proton is just starting to check up too much and eventually moving left and bringing the ball more inside gets to the point where entry angles are not conducive for me to carry.

on the current pattern, the nuclear cell finds itself in a bit of over/under.  playing where I think I should be, the ball isnt quite enough.  however if i move a bit right and try to be straighter, the ball is too much. 

my other options for a ball down from the Proton have fared worse than the Nuke.  Axiom is a strong solid that also checks up early.  Dark Code struggles more to turn the corner.  IQ Tour Nano Pearl doesnt give the right entry angle to carry.  After Dark might as well be plastic. 

it very likely is a me problem and not an equipment one; but with the NC, it almost to the point I don't trust it and replacement is best.

But thanks for the ideas.  I may know someone that has a badger I could try.  a team mate has similar enough specs for pitches and spans that we can share equipment in a pinch and he throws a lot of Global stuff; so may have a badger in the closet I can borrow for a couple weeks.

Based on this I will tell you what you may could look into.  Infinite Physix.  Same core but just a cleaner cover.  That way when the Proton is a little too early, you can stay in the same zone and switch.  Initially I know I said HK22 but since the Proton gives you a good look when they are fresh, the Infinite would complement it well.  Plus, it seems to be a favorite among touring guys; especially Beef and Barnzy!
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Re: Favorite skid/snap ball for 2023
« Reply #8 on: March 01, 2023, 01:45:55 PM »
I'll double down on the Eternity or RST X-3.

Eternity is 100% nano load per Schlem and I believe the X-3 is as well

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Re: Favorite skid/snap ball for 2023
« Reply #9 on: March 01, 2023, 09:52:35 PM »
Hammer Widow 2.0 Hybrid is very angular and snappy.  The Hammer Offset Attack has a very big backend that is not as snappy.  The Katana Assault does look good as well.
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