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_Stroker_Walter_

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Frustrated and thinking about quitting
« on: March 17, 2006, 02:46:55 PM »
The past few weeks I have been really struggling and hurting during league play. I have a hard time even meeting my average and the 200+ scoring games are very rare now. My release has gotten worse and now I track over the thumbhole in every single ball I throw. I get inconsistent reactions just because of it so there is no need to buy any more balls until I correct this problem. I'm very close to a full roller.

If I get a full roller layout, will the ball still hit the thumbhole? I used to just clip the thumbhole, but now I roll loudly over it every single time. I want lessons, but I need a patient and knowledgeable coach. I'm tired of asking for help and getting an attitude like I am doomed and ain't worthy of their time.

I feel I really messed something up with my release. It never used to be this way. Everything is going downhill. I tried to improve my release but I just made it worse. My form isn't the best thing to look at and I won't dare videotape it and post it. Basically , I'm a total clutz. I'm not graceful, and I'm not a gymnyst. I've just about had it.
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Re: Frustrated and thinking about quitting
« Reply #1 on: March 17, 2006, 10:57:23 PM »
the first step to recovery is admitting you have a problem...
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Re: Frustrated and thinking about quitting
« Reply #2 on: March 17, 2006, 11:06:33 PM »
i feel your pain, seems like it just gets worse, one thing to remember is to have fun, relax while your on th approach, take a deep breath.  Go practice outside league, just bowling to have fun, you'd be surprised sometimes how your form comes back.  The more you think and analyze, the harder it is to have a nice, freeflowing swing.

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Re: Frustrated and thinking about quitting
« Reply #3 on: March 17, 2006, 11:19:09 PM »
Thanks deadbait.......I will definately look into that. Biggest problem is that when I have a bad night of bowling, I buy another bowling ball as an impulse buy. So far this year, I have four new balls (vapor zone, The one, Inferno, Cobalt) and I'm still slumping. Biggest problem is tracking over the thumbhole and sometimes I have a flare or two inside of it. I've tried strengthening my forearm to try and cup the ball. I bowl second shift and I need to speed the ball up, and I end up muscling it big time. I also need to feel comfortable using the arrows. I have big problems and need a good coach.

So for now, I'll look into that cobra type wrist device.
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Re: Frustrated and thinking about quitting
« Reply #4 on: March 17, 2006, 11:31:22 PM »
Walter, first thing I tell everyone that gets down on themselves is....relax, you pay to bowl to have fun. You are not doing it for a living and your paychack doesn't rest on whether you strike or not. IT'S ALL ABOUT HAVING FUN!!!
When you just don't enjoy it anymore, then quit and find something else that you enjoy, but quit for the right reasons. Not because you are struggling to shoot the 200 games. Ask jkiser01 as he has heard me preach this to bowlers evertwhere. I bet if you relax a little and have some fun, some of those scores might go up a little and surprise you.
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Re: Frustrated and thinking about quitting
« Reply #5 on: March 18, 2006, 12:40:34 AM »
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but will give you a "feel" for a correct release.


I would first like to say, that there is no "correct" release in bowling! I throw a back-up ball (lefty hook with my right hand), and: just won my Sunday night league, won the 3rd quarter in my Tuesday night scratch league, am 3rd highest average on the Tuesday night league, and am leading in individual points won on Tuesday nights! Don't think I'm trying to brag please, as I'm just trying to prove that there is no "right" way to throw the ball...there is just ALWAYS room for improvement. I know A LOT of the guys that have met me from this website have said that I'm a VERY accurate spare-shooter, and it came from YEARS of self-teaching and practice. Don't get down, as you will only struggle more with your consistency; since you'll now put more pressure on just hitting your average. Think about this: If you hit your average EVERY game, then wouldn't your average be higher (which would mean that you then wouldn't hit it every game...)?!? C'mon man, just take it easy on yourself...everyone goes through slumps. You said you've been dealing with this "the past few weeks." THE PAST FEW WEEKS?!? I went on like a 3-month slump over the summer, where I couldn't hit the pins if there were bumpers in the gutters, but I just dropped back to the basics and figured out what I was doing wrong (timing had gone awry)! If ya ever wanna talk about bowling (or something else to get your mind off of bowling), just message me, and I'll always shoot the breeze! Till then, take it easy man,

Big Willy Style

PS...Speedburner69...LOL...that's funny!!!
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Re: Frustrated and thinking about quitting
« Reply #6 on: March 18, 2006, 01:41:26 AM »
The new Cobalt bomb I purchased is 14lbs. I want to see if this would help for drier lanes since I can throw it faster, and possibly help with my release? It worked very little tonight. I had the most luck with my one but I was robbed many times by 8,9,7, and 10 pins. I couldn't pick up 10s to save my life tonight.

My bowling game needs a complete overhaul. I just hate not making my average and hurting my team. Bowled two leagues tonight, a 539 and 520. I'm normally a 190+ average bowler. But most of all, I'm frustrated at the lack of good help to become better at this sport. I'm tired of talking to pro shop guys who are quick to critisize me on everything yet offer no help or answers. Also it is frustrating when one person tells me one thing and then another person tells me another.

I just want to strike, score good, and feel better. I've reached a plateau where my average isn't improving at all (falling currently) since last year. I'm ready for some coaching. I'm tired of the endless ball purchasing and hoping that it matches up well for me.
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Re: Frustrated and thinking about quitting
« Reply #7 on: March 18, 2006, 02:59:06 AM »
I'd been going through a mini-slump as well, and just recently seem to have snapped out of it.  I figured out my problems: I was aiming too much, and I was trying to fix a non-existant timing problem.  Have since bowled several 250+ games.

Just relax and throw the ball...don't worry about making the ball hit the target, just let it go and know that it will.  As long as it's close you have some room on a THS.  As for the single pin leaves...what can I say I've been there too.  Don't worry about it, they'll start falling soon.
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Re: Frustrated and thinking about quitting
« Reply #8 on: March 18, 2006, 09:25:29 AM »
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My release has gotten worse and now I track over the thumbhole in every single ball I throw. I get inconsistent reactions just because of it so there is no need to buy any more balls until I correct this problem. I'm very close to a full roller.

If I get a full roller layout, will the ball still hit the thumbhole? I used to just clip the thumbhole, but now I roll loudly over it every single time.
 


If you are "very close to a full roller", but still a 3/4 roller a full roller layout won't help you.  It would flare into the gripping holes even worse.  If you're actually a full roller that's very close to a 3/4 roller, a full roller layout will help.  That would mean you're clipping the right side of the thumb hole and/or the left side of the middle finger.  A full roller layout will reverse the flare, so that as the ball flares it moves away from the holes instead of into them.    --  JohnP

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Re: Frustrated and thinking about quitting
« Reply #9 on: March 18, 2006, 09:35:58 AM »
Deadbait...for Cobra release are you talking the one with the EXTENDED index finger???  or extended all fingers???

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Re: Frustrated and thinking about quitting
« Reply #10 on: March 18, 2006, 10:55:22 AM »
Stroker

What you have described is almost exactly what happened to me.  About 3-4 years ago after finishing with a 199 average, I started to go downhill.  It got to a point where I was lucky to shoot 400.  I bought new balls, went to the local pro several times, did the video bit and attended several demo days.  Nothing.  My bowling just got worse.  In the 2003/2004 season my average hit an all time low of 161.

In the fall of 2004, just after shooting one of my big 400 series and preparing to tie my bowling balls to the back of the car and drag them home for punishment, a friend of mine came over and said if I would stay after the league had finished, that he could correct my problems in about 15-20 minutes.  I thought, yeah sure.  After all the times with the local pro and many hours of practice, you can fix my problems in 15 or 20 minutes.  This I gotta see.

The first thing he did was to put a towel about 2 feet out from the foul line and told me to throw the ball over the towel.  That was not an easy feat for me as I usually put the ball down close to the foul line.  But after a few tries, I was able to do it.  Then he had me drop the ball down in my stance and make an effort to push it out along with the first step of my four step approach.  Since I usually hold the ball about chest high, this felt funny.  But after a few shots, it also began to feel natural.  Next he had me stand close to the foul line and take only one step.  This made me swing the ball and get the feel of what a free swinging arm would feel like.  What he had me doing was just going back to basics.  Put your hand in the ball, get it in a confortable position, look at your target, make a good approach and then just throw it off your hand.  Don't think about anything else except making a good swing and hitting your target. As one of the old time pros used to say, "if youre thinking, your stinking".

Ok.  The result.  At that low point in my bowling and after some practice with this new advise, my average started to come back up.  I went from a low of 153 in December of 2004 to a final average of 174.  This year I am up to 187 and am bowling better nearly every week. ( If I would just stop missing some of the corner pins)  My timing has come back, I can get the ball out on the lane better and I have a lot more confidence.  For the past 5 weeks, my average has been over well over 200.

So, what I am trying to say, is try to get back to the basics.  Forget about everything but making a slow approach, looking at your target and "throw the ball off your hand".  If it is drilled right, and your hand is in the correct position, that's about all you have to do to make good shots.  Oh, by the way, you should also remember this is just a game and try to have fun. Yeah, sure. I only have fun when I bowl good and beat everybody.  Another perk for me, is that once I started bowling better, I did not feel the need for as many new balls. ( This really made my wife happy, however, didn't help with my relationship with the proshop )

By the way, I am using a wrist support and it helps an old man like me get a little more revs. on the ball.  It also, helps me get the thumb out faster. Its not the one with the extended index finger, although that might help moving your track up above the thumb hole.  I may try one of those in the future.

Sorry this is such a long post, but I hope it helps a little.  



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Re: Frustrated and thinking about quitting
« Reply #11 on: March 18, 2006, 11:05:02 AM »
hi sw
im wondering what your pin layout is . since u are a high
tracker the pin should not be under the fingers it must be at least
equal. if u look on the hammer web site they have some info
the drilling instructions on pin safe zones. i dont know if
that is your prob but u should at least eliminate it

doggie

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Re: Frustrated and thinking about quitting
« Reply #12 on: March 18, 2006, 05:20:54 PM »
sw if its any concellation you describe me to a tee .Same bowling style same problem and same attitude. thoug i thought i had it figured out i still seem to struggle. But i think one thing above all others is true you cant score if u cant relax.When i practice i get in a rythim and i usually strike and spare ok . But when i bowl leagues or tourneys, i get all tense and uptight.Case in point went to league last night and every friday like i have to win ,have to hit the pots and this over rides any practice any ability i might have.Its like hanging on to a tree limb and if u relax you die and bowling isnt supposed to be this way.Friday nights nothing works last night i couldnt even get out of my balls right until the 3 game. But as soon as i found the release and shot my adrenalline level went up so my relaxation went away amd instead of bowling well i bowled another 160 game to shoot 450 something for the night. and walk out of the bowling alley yet again broke dejected and wishing i had never picked up a ball.But if i can relax and just bowl i can execute . You are probably so tense and musceling the ball that your hand and arm are too rigid to come thru your shots so u are rolling staight over the thumb i have shot all my best games with noone around and nothing at stake if u can get that frame of mind when u bowl every time you ,and i bowl i think we will be ok.I just had my big one drilled 2 weeks ago and i couldnt get my hand in it,we have got to learn to relax.
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Re: Frustrated and thinking about quitting
« Reply #13 on: March 18, 2006, 05:24:13 PM »
not much better at spelling than bowling as u see, i also forgot to mention i have been in a slump for over a year now ,but i refuse to let this game beat me,plus the market for used balls isnt so great.
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Re: Frustrated and thinking about quitting
« Reply #14 on: March 18, 2006, 05:54:52 PM »
I too have been in a slump since the superbowl, back in february.  I was having a soso season down about 6 pins from previous year but bowling consistent scores.  I had a couple of dissapointing outings in tournaments and lost all my confidence.  that and having pain in my middle finger joint and changing my grip to accomodate the finger has totally screwed up my game.  Last Monday, I came out the gate with a 247 game, I guess I just hit my groove.  Next game, i lost the great ball reaction i had and couldn't hit my mark after just throwing 13 pocket hits in a row.  During that game I asked my teammates what I was doing different and no one had an answer for me.  My elbow was hurting and I was thinking I great, sore elbow and finger , I might as well quit, I seem to be falling apart.  Then it hit me, elbow hurts, i must be chicken winging my swing.  I consentrated on keeping my elbow in and my release near my ankle and I had that great reaction back.  I ended up shooting 659 and shot 648 on Friday on a tough shot.  Not stellar scores but I am definately back on track.  So hang in there, you will figure it out.  Don't press, have fun, listen to your body and get a helpful eye to watch you bowl.