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General Category => Miscellaneous => Topic started by: tommyboy74 on July 07, 2012, 01:39:25 PM
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Well, for those who were waiting to see the Summer Shootout start at 2pm EDT, that doesn't look like it will happen for the moment. Wimbledon has the priority right now.
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I can understand Wimbledon having the priority but could someone with any amount of common sense try to schedule this at a time when there would be no conflict of this type.
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This Wimbledon thing must of snuck up on the ESPN schedule makers.
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Whats this Wimbledon thing you guys speak of????
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Tennis
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Even better- the PBA website has the results of the first show. Good move PBA- don't you know that ESPN didn't even show it and will not show it until tomorrow on ESPN2?
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Are we shocked by this? I've seen college basketball preempt bowling.
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The PBA really needs to find a new TV Network.
This just shows how much ESPN thinks of bowling.
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I just sent in a complaint to ESPN. Maybe if they started to hear more complaints, it would help to let them know that there are still some people who watch or want to watch bowling.
http://espn.go.com/espn/contact?lang=EN&country=united states (http://espn.go.com/espn/contact?lang=EN&country=united%20states)
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Got a reply already to my complaint. Here is the response (x'd out their name):
Thanks for contacting ESPN.
Schedule changes happen in live sports more frequently than in any other time of programming. In this case, the PBA event was pre-empted due to the Wimbledon coverage running long. It is generally our policy to remain with live action until its conclusion, but you can still catch the PBA tomorrow, July 8, from 2 - 4 p.m. on ESPN2.
Sincerely,
xxxx
ESPN Viewer Response
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Thanks for the link I just sent them a very "nice" email I'm sure they will like. (sarcasm)
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Maybe they should go to NBC Sports Network, which used to be Versus?
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Does this surprise you? Look what they did with Classic Sports Network.
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Got a reply already to my complaint. Here is the response (x'd out their name):
Thanks for contacting ESPN.
Schedule changes happen in live sports more frequently than in any other time of programming. In this case, the PBA event was pre-empted due to the Wimbledon coverage running long. It is generally our policy to remain with live action until its conclusion, but you can still catch the PBA tomorrow, July 8, from 2 - 4 p.m. on ESPN2.
Sincerely,
xxxx
ESPN Viewer Response
Thanks, Gary.
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I just sent in a complaint to ESPN. Maybe if they started to hear more complaints, it would help to let them know that there are still some people who watch or want to watch bowling.
http://espn.go.com/espn/contact?lang=EN&country=united states (http://espn.go.com/espn/contact?lang=EN&country=united%20states)
I also sent in a complaint letter .. thanks for the link!
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You are delusional if you think ESPN should of shown a taped bowling show over the live Wimbledon finals.
You had the women's final with S. Williams, the men's doubles finals that went 5 sets and the women's doubles finals that featured both Williams sisters.
ESPN isn't going to show some old men bowling over the Williams sisters. The ratings and sponsor dollars are with the tennis finals.
There was weather delays at Wimbledon, ESPN doesn't control the weather or the officials at Wimbledon.
Under normal circumstances the Wimbledon finals should of been over with by the time bowling was set to be on. There was no bowling, boo hoo.
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You are delusional if you think ESPN should of shown a taped bowling show over the live Wimbledon finals.
You had the women's final with S. Williams, the men's doubles finals that went 5 sets and the women's doubles finals that featured both Williams sisters.
ESPN isn't going to show some old men bowling over the Williams sisters. The ratings and sponsor dollars are with the tennis finals.
There was weather delays at Wimbledon, ESPN doesn't control the weather or the officials at Wimbledon.
Under normal circumstances the Wimbledon finals should of been over with by the time bowling was set to be on. There was no bowling, boo hoo.
Well if we want to complain that is our right, and if you don't like it BOO HOO.
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Now as far as programming goes a live event especially Wimbledon is going to take priority over a taped episode of any bowling exhibition. Seriously people you do know how low bowling ranks on the sports totem pole don't you?
Seriously, what are we talking about? Bowling? Taped? Not live, but taped? And and an exhibition at that.
It is a taped exhibition, no matter how you look at it. Although it is one of bowlings better telecast to watch, it ain't live, and it don't matter.
I remember this past season when bowling had its "big" major on "network" television live and it wasn't shown here because of.......NCAA mens basketball. Obviously that would get a lot more ratings then mens bowling and being in SEC country that is what was shown.
Better find another network and fast cause that ship keeps on sinking.
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Well, my GF said, "how come ESPN has Wimbledon and one of the "big" networks don't?"
I replied, "they paid millions and millions for it! They are big!" Capice?
On the PBA website today I saw that the broadcast had been moved to today! Great! and understandable.
After the Woman's US open broadcast showing the woman bowling on some road in Reno, I'm surprised bowling has more coverage than tiddleywinks. Be thankful it does, set your DVR enjoy. But mostly enjoy the Tennis!
Some of the greatest tennis players ever are in your midst at this time. Better than watching scores of 140s, 160s and 170s on TV while bowling "educates" the masses!
In the meantime, watch the Senior Tour on extra frame and watch some outstanding high scoring and entertaining bowling too!
Regards,
Luckylefty
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Formula 1 auto racing had the same problem with ESPN. I think it even got bumped by a spelling bee. The solution was to get their own network. SPEED. SPEED covers all kinds of racing Le Mans, F1, Trans Am etc. So bowling might look for another solution. They already have bowl.tv on the internet.
Smash49
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Any opinions on the new guy Lon MacEchern commentating compared to Gary Thauer from some shows last year?
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Just another goofball gimmick show with no point by the PBA. If you want to see it on time it deserves a spot ESPN 68 at 2 in the morning. ESPN made an excellent choice showing Wimbledon instead of the PBA drivel. Just another excuse to give what is left of professional bowling something to do.
Smash49
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More garbage by the PBA! Glad I got to watch the Wimbledon men's finals. Now there was a real sporting event. Respect, tradition and excellent tennis.
I'm not even a tennis fan, but I know real sports competition that's worth watching when I see it.
The PBA and the circus is one in the same.
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Anyone who thinks TAPE DELAYED bowling takes precedent over LIVE WIMBLEDON coverage should seek mental counsel immediately.
Center court seats @ Wimbledon for the finals were going for $18k+, this PBA Shootout was free to attend. You do the math. Instead of wasting time complaining to ESPN go down in the basement, dig up your Bowling on ABC VHS tapes and have a nice day.
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That shootout is like watching paint dry. Total waste of time to watch IMO unless you record and fast forward through all the commercials to see the maybe 10 min of actual bowling in a 30 minute show.
Whoever came up with this 1 shot, low man out crap should be shot..
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Right on. You mean there are some guys who are actually upset that this B.S. bowling exhibition wasn't on? Really? I get emails reminding me that they are coming up and I automatically delete them. Could care less. It ain't bowling if kids can walk by eating cotton candy on their way to the Tilt-a-Whirl.
That shootout is like watching paint dry. Total waste of time to watch IMO unless you record and fast forward through all the commercials to see the maybe 10 min of actual bowling in a 30 minute show.
Whoever came up with this 1 shot, low man out crap should be shot..
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No network is ever going to stop showing a live event and replace it with a taped one. Think what happened waaaay back when with tha "The Heidi Game" in 1968.
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We need to be honest.
Bowling participation has been going downhill for the last 30 years. As the number of sanctioned bowlers went from 8 million to 2 million now it obviously has effected the ratings numbers of the PBA telecast and popularity.
We feel a vested interest in the game but most of society does not and is not entertained by it.
ESPN uses it as a filler for time when they can not show major sporting events or against events that would easily defeat anything else they put on.
So they show bowling knowing it has a loyal following that will either tape the bowling or watch it live giving them some audience.
And I agree that when I saw it was a best ball event I lost all interest.
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My opinion from gathering information from various web sites is:
Bowling gets the best filler ratings of any other tv show that ESPN tries, this is why ESPN is somewhat receptive to showing bowling. This is also why ESPN doesn't want to promote or help bowling get better ratings because it fills in time slots perfectly for them.
It would appear to me that ESPN is part of the problem here and they offer no solution since they are "happy" with where bowling is and the type of ratings it offers.
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This is pretty much how it goes with T.V. anywhere. If there is a live event going on, and it runs over, they will stay with the event until it is over. Have we all heard the words "We now resume our scheduled programing." lol
Now as far as programming goes a live event especially Wimbledon is going to take priority over a taped episode of any bowling exhibition. Seriously people you do know how low bowling ranks on the sports totem pole don't you?
Seriously, what are we talking about? Bowling? Taped? Not live, but taped? And and an exhibition at that.
It is a taped exhibition, no matter how you look at it. Although it is one of bowlings better telecast to watch, it ain't live, and it don't matter.
I remember this past season when bowling had its "big" major on "network" television live and it wasn't shown here because of.......NCAA mens basketball. Obviously that would get a lot more ratings then mens bowling and being in SEC country that is what was shown.
Better find another network and fast cause that ship keeps on sinking.
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+1.
The World Wide Leader is in the business to make money. Look at the sponsors for both events. They aren't about to disrupt W coverage for that boring exhibition of professional bowling. One could make the argument that scheduling should have done a better job - but I will refer back to the topic: bowling. The 4-lettered network could care less. Bowling was just there in case there was a rain delay.
Right on. You mean there are some guys who are actually upset that this B.S. bowling exhibition wasn't on? Really? I get emails reminding me that they are coming up and I automatically delete them. Could care less. It ain't bowling if kids can walk by eating cotton candy on their way to the Tilt-a-Whirl.
That shootout is like watching paint dry. Total waste of time to watch IMO unless you record and fast forward through all the commercials to see the maybe 10 min of actual bowling in a 30 minute show.
Whoever came up with this 1 shot, low man out crap should be shot..
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The real story should be the fact the PBA should be ashamed for putting this event out there. Last years show had some different formats with the bowlers bowling against each other for a full game and indoors for a change.
This lame excuse of an event was more fluff and commercials then bowling. Seriously???? A one ball shoot out event???? Somebody put a bullet in the horse and stop the suffering. I'd rather see more womens billiards. At least they stay true to their sport.
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So far I would agree. How was that product supposed to win over new viewers? More I think about it, I think espn intended that to be rain delay filler.
The real story should be the fact the PBA should be ashamed for putting this event out there. Last years show had some different formats with the bowlers bowling against each other for a full game and indoors for a change.
This lame excuse of an event was more fluff and commercials then bowling. Seriously???? A one ball shoot out event???? Somebody put a bullet in the horse and stop the suffering. I'd rather see more womens billiards. At least they stay true to their sport.
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The more I think of the bowling the more I think of it as bad advertising for the ball companies. What it broke down to was this company against that company vs. the other company. Only problem is they really didn't mention what balls they were using. Still looks like they are just giving what is left of the PBA something to do. What do you do with a bunch of ball reps?
Smash49
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Thats what I liked about last years was it was one manufacture against the other with actual bowling. WTF does any one care about seeing some body throw one ball and be done?
Why would the manufactures care to waste the money on that. I'd buy up the commercial time instead where you can actually have 30 secs of bowling or what ever other info you want to put out versus that crap.
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From what I heard, each ball manufacturer had to pay $25,000 to be in summer series.
This is why some like Lord Field and Motiv declined to get involved.
$25,000 for this crap....
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I doubt if the PBA has much say on espn programming. They are beholden to their espn masters. I've also said it before: the PBA needs a new game plan when it comes to TV outlets.
From what I heard, each ball manufacturer had to pay $25,000 to be in summer series.
This is why some like Lord Field and Motiv declined to get involved.
$25,000 for this crap....
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From what I heard, each ball manufacturer had to pay $25,000 to be in summer series.
This is why some like Lord Field and Motiv declined to get involved.
$25,000 for this crap....
The PBA has always wanted money for any product used. I know years ago they wanted an unbelievable amount from our company and still we would not have had a chance. Dexter was the big advertiser. If I remember it was something like $35,000 a company or line. Think about how many balls you need to sell at manufactures cost to recover that amount of money. l'd rather give a certain amount of balls away or lower my cost to bowlers rather than pay the PBA for what very limited exposure you get. Sure they might be able to take it off the taxes but it is still a lot of money up front.
Smash49