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Has Bowling Priced Itself Out Of The Middle Class?
« on: May 11, 2011, 05:39:23 AM »
Much discussion lately has been about the evolution and demise of bowling. There is not much mention of cost. I remember when bowling was $7.50 a week and the one ball you used was $59. So here are some basic numbers based on where I live:
 
1) Three ball arsenal including spare ball $500 (per year average)
 
2) League fee for one league $20 @ 35 weeks $700
 
3) Gasoline for the 45-60 minute drive $300 a year (estimate)
 
4) Food and Beverage $300 a year (estimate)
 
5) Practice before league $10 @ 35 weeks $350
 
6) Sanction fee $14
 
7) Misc items like tape,rosin, sure slide, ball polish, etc...$50
 
 Total for bowling once a week for $35 weeks $2214 a year!
 
Additional league double that number excluding equipment! Add a tournament or two and you are looking at $4000 a year to bowl.
 
Is it worth it?
 
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Re: Has Bowling Priced Itself Out Of The Middle Class?
« Reply #1 on: May 11, 2011, 03:22:31 PM »
I won't disagree with your current prices or costs but how long ago are you talking on the older prices? The prices you mention are what I remember paying when I first bowled adult leagues in 1986. What about the cost of living increase from 1986 to now?
 
If I go to a cost of living calculator, I used 
which says $7.50 in 1986 would be $15.07 today. I pay $15 for league today. Back then a higher prize money league would've been $10 which equates to $20.09 today. So that seems right to me.
 
A $60 ball would be $120.55 today. I can get an entry level resin ball for that online. I don't ever remember buying a urethane ball for less than around $79 back then which would equate to $158.72 today. When you add $50 for drilling the argument could be made that balls are more expensive now but I think that's more a function of different materials and R&D that goes into today's equipment. Comparing urethane to urethane, I don't think I'd pay more than $130-140 for a urethane Avalanche including drilling today so it could be said urethane balls are cheaper today.
 
So regarding league bowling I don't think cost is a factor in the decline of bowling discussion.
 
To answer your question is it worth it? I guess it depends on the person and their perspective. To me the cost is worth it. Bowling's an interest for me, not a job. I like the people I've met over the years and like the competition that scratch leagues and tournaments provide. I know many people who spend just as much or more on interests like golf, having season tickets to football/basketball or other activities.

 
Edited by al_g on 5/11/2011 at 3:23 PM

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Re: Has Bowling Priced Itself Out Of The Middle Class?
« Reply #2 on: May 11, 2011, 03:25:59 PM »
If you are paying those type prices each week then NO it probably isn't worth it. However, alot of

the "expenses" you listed aren't for your avg bowler. 

1- most bowlers (maybe not the ones on this website) don't buy 3 new balls a yr and if so one of them

isn't a spare ball

2- most bowlers don't live 45 miles away from the place they bowl league so they aren't spending that much on gasoline (but that expense is climbing!!!)

3- the money you're spending on food/beverage will be spent whether or not you're at a bowling

alley or not.  We all gotta eat...

4- not sure how many warm up gms you're putting in, but $10 for practice before league is kind of

steep. Most centers offer $2 gms or less and/or $5 hr of practice.

5- the "incidentals like tape, rosin, cleaner, etc are just like throw away money aka scratch offs or a soda at

work???

 

Bowling has certainly become more expensive than past yrs, but IMO it's still much cheaper than some other sports such as playing softball every weekend or golf once or twice a week.

(and I usually don't get anywhere near as mad at myself)!!!!



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Re: Has Bowling Priced Itself Out Of The Middle Class?
« Reply #3 on: May 11, 2011, 11:14:58 PM »
If you add up the costs for a once a weekbowler, you will probably quit bowling.   You have to put a price on the "night out".   A hamburger/fries probably 4.50.    Gasoline to get there
maybe 4.00, bowling cost  16.00, one beer or coke 2.00, cost to get home 4.o0.   Winning 4 games  28.00 divided 4 ways.  Total outlay  $27.00.   Not a good way to make a living, in fact not a good way to spend an evening.   $9.00 a game is pretty expensive.      



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Re: Has Bowling Priced Itself Out Of The Middle Class?
« Reply #4 on: May 11, 2011, 11:15:10 PM »
If you add up the costs for a once a weekbowler, you will probably quit bowling.   You have to put a price on the "night out".   A hamburger/fries probably 4.50.    Gasoline to get there
maybe 4.00, bowling cost  16.00, one beer or coke 2.00, cost to get home 4.o0.   Winning 4 games  28.00 divided 4 ways.  Total outlay  $27.00.   Not a good way to make a living, in fact not a good way to spend an evening.   $9.00 a game is pretty expensive.      



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Re: Has Bowling Priced Itself Out Of The Middle Class?
« Reply #5 on: May 11, 2011, 11:48:27 PM »
My cost to bowl.
 
Bowling balls= a lot.( I average two to three balls at what most will pay for one. I usually buy a lot through the season)  Still for a three ball arsenal with a high end and two mid line balls we will say $230 drilled.
 
Cost of bowling $16 a league night x 32 weeks $512
Cost of games to practice before league $0 (are league doesn't allow it)
Cost of food $0 I eat before I go bowl.
Cost of drinks for the season $20 I usually go with out 
Fuel would be 30 minutes round trip and only every other week so $56 total 
 
So one season would be $818 This year our team got back about $400 a person so that brings the total to $418


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Re: Has Bowling Priced Itself Out Of The Middle Class?
« Reply #6 on: May 12, 2011, 12:29:50 AM »
I like what some of you  guys said, like Clint, and Kid......... I also dont like what some of you other guys had to say, thinking that the cost of bowling is to high,etc.  I only mainly have one thing to say or to explain. """""""YOUR AVERAGE BOWLER HAS THE FOLLOWING"""""""

 

   He or She may have 1 Hook ball at the most. Some bowlers will not even have a Hook ball...etc. So for people to have a spare ball. Well some of them would be like "whats a spare ball"? There are areas around the world were bowling is very popular and Im sure some of you are going to argue with everything Im saying. I bowl in a league in a small town called Mount Airy, NC. It is a 16 lane house, and like any other houses, have maybe 5-8 leagues a week whatnot. That being said, I would say that they have well over a couple hundred or more league bowlers. Within that couple hundred, I would also go out on a limb and say that they're may be at the most 15-20 bowlers that would be considered "above"  average bowlers and perhaps may even pay in the amounts that the auther mentioned per year. But as far as AVERAGE, the other 80-90% of the total bowlers, spend only a fraction of what you mentioned.

 

   I would like to add one more thing to this..... Your so called "AVERAGE BOWLER" will not know what ballreviews.com is. Hell, your average bowler wont even know that bowlingball.com or ebay is the cheapest places to purchase stuff from. Need I say more? John

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Re: Has Bowling Priced Itself Out Of The Middle Class?
« Reply #7 on: May 12, 2011, 01:13:15 AM »
I'd like to throw in a twist from the local situation. Bowling IS an expensive hobby. If you want to play frequently, esp. in bigger cities, you have to join a club because most centers offer game rebates - without this "support" you can hardly afford frequent training.

Some centers call for EUR5 (which is about USD9 per game!) per game for open bowlers, club members get along with EUR2, sometimes even EUR1 per game, but most of the time only when capacity allows.

Then add equipment prices: a triple roller is hard to get for less than EUR100, a mid-range ball costs EUR150 and a high end piece passes the EUR200 limit, drilling extra. You really have to be nuts to sink so much money into a hobby/sport, and only few players receive sponsoring or material support. Other expenses like traveling to league sites are also paid from private funds, as well as club membership fees.



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Re: Has Bowling Priced Itself Out Of The Middle Class?
« Reply #8 on: May 12, 2011, 06:48:51 AM »
Well...I think the original poster has a valid point.  I speak more from a competitive bowler's perspective.  Let's be real without high end bowling, the sport is nothing more than a recreational game...which isn't organized.  I don't think the price is running people off, I think it is ball companies making disposable bowling balls.  They keep making balls that push the envelope of hook, and die faster and faster.  10 years ago ball death wasn't near the problem it is now.  People buy a Taboo and bowl 2 nights a week, an occasional tournament and they need a new ball in 3 months.  Tournaments are also getting worse, as the entry fees don't come down, there are fewer bowlers, and they continue to try and pay $3 to $5k for 1st place.  You end up with a field of 50, 1st makes $3k and 4th place gets their entry fee back.  I think that is another factor.

 

I will be honest....if they held "pride" tournaments where the entry was $25 and the winner got a trophy...I would still bowl.  Anyone who is bowling to try and make extra money is just stupid (unless you're the .00001% that actually make a profit).


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Re: Has Bowling Priced Itself Out Of The Middle Class?
« Reply #9 on: May 12, 2011, 08:17:20 AM »
I think ball death is more related to lack of ball maintenance then the bowling manufacture. I'm not saying it doesn't happen but I've never experienced it. Most new hook monsters have a dull surface that after 20-30 games becomes a very shinned surface from lane oil. Most bowlers, not all, just keep bowling with the ball and never have it resurfaced or cleaned to get the factory surface back. Another factor is many shops don't know how to get the ball back to factory surface or how to get oil extracted from a bowling ball.(extraction can be done from home by anyone) 
 
Still for most bowlers even competitive the hook monsters aren't needed, and one can find a lot of hook at a lower price point for almost any condition. As someone who enjoys bowling and buys more sh..tuff then needed I can say safely that a good bowler can compete with a three to four ball arsenal and if maintained can get plenty of use for a long time from it. That being said we are all sold on the next best newest thing to come out. In bowling that is a monthly process.
 
Most bowling tournaments are relatively cheap and brackets can be a great way for any level bowler to win money. 


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Re: Has Bowling Priced Itself Out Of The Middle Class?
« Reply #10 on: May 12, 2011, 08:56:20 AM »
I agree with this post. I know quite a few people that have quit because of cost. If I took the cost of my two leagues $15 and $21. It would add up to $1300. My cost to bowl just league alone is $144 per month. I ended up with $370.00 back at the end of the year. That doesn't include bowling balls, food, supplies, gas and other items needed.



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Re: Has Bowling Priced Itself Out Of The Middle Class?
« Reply #11 on: May 12, 2011, 09:12:20 AM »

If the cost isn't killing bowling .. what is????



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Re: Has Bowling Priced Itself Out Of The Middle Class?
« Reply #12 on: May 12, 2011, 09:33:57 AM »
For those of you that blame the price for the demise of bowling, I ask you this:  
 
What is life doesn't cost more today than it did 20 years ago????  What recreation/sport/activity is still at the same price level???  Are all of you paying the same amount of bills in dollars you always have??? 
 
Plain and simple the answer to all of those in NO.
 
To explain it would be a complete waste of time and energy.  If you think bowling centers are making hoards of money, you are even more childish than I originally thought of MOST not all of the ballreviews nation.  Being in the bowling business in the finance portion of the operation, I can tell you we are not getting rich on bowling. 



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Re: Has Bowling Priced Itself Out Of The Middle Class?
« Reply #13 on: May 12, 2011, 09:34:22 AM »
I will admit that bowling more then one league can get expensive for a year. Some leagues have high cost due to wanting more money going into the prize fund which is fine, but can add up if your in multiple leagues. Most of the leagues in one house are $16 with $7-8 going to lineage.  
 
I'm not sure about else where but I remember at one time when I was a kid going to the bowling alley you had a ton of teams with team shirts sponsored by businesses.(mid to late 80s) Many of the bowlers worked for that business as well. Now days when I go to the bowling ally I see only one or two at most that are business related and they are older people.
 
I think a good way for any center to get more bowlers would be trying to promote to businesses(car dealerships, restaurants ect) to some friendly competition in a league. I think if you went with a shorter 10 to 16 week format for such leagues you could really grow some new bowlers and even new rivalries. Even if the league never went past the 10-16 week period it would create some great additional income for the center. From bowling, to food, to the proshop. Would also work with college age students and other younger people. Kickball leagues are something that have gotten popular here and I think bowling if in a shorter format could cater to those same people. Many of these teams would probably be more interested in trophies then money prizes which would cut cost down to $10 or less for the bowling, and lend more money to be made on food and beer sales.
 
Just a thought. 


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Re: Has Bowling Priced Itself Out Of The Middle Class?
« Reply #14 on: May 12, 2011, 09:47:13 AM »
Just because the cost is going up doesnt necessarily mean you have to spend it.  I am seeing that the size of the money leagues are getting lower but some of the more fun mixed leagues are growing.  Bowlers dont want to give up the sport, just find a cheaper way of doing it.  I may buy 1 new ball each year if I feel I need it.  In most cases, the stuff I used several years ago is the same stuff I am using now. 

 

What's killing bowling????  Same thing that is killing our nation.  Our government.  If the economy was better, people may be able to afford bowling more than they do.  Due to the bad economy and rising gas prices, people have to cut back.  My costs this year:

 

League was $25/night x 36 weeks = $900

Bought 1 ball = $85.00 (Test staff with Visionary and I drill my own stuff)

Gas = $0.00 (Center is only a couple miles from the office so I dont factor in extra distance)
Practice = $0.00 (Rarely practice and had free game passes when I did)

Beverage = $0.00 (Center always had a bucket of ice water and cheap plastic cups handy)

 

Overall cost was about $1,000 and got back $1700+

PROFIT = $700 



JOE FALCO wrote on 5/12/2011 9:12 AM:

If the cost isn't killing bowling .. what is????



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