Author Topic: High Dollar Ball vs Low Dollar Ball (Read 3861 times)

Zanatos1914 · « **on:** January 08, 2011, 10:54:36 PM »

Would like to hear your thoughts on low dollar and high dollar balls? I recent purchased a high dollar which was the Hammer Corner which I really wasnt impressed with and then was forced to get another ball which cost allot less and it out performs it hands down. Does a ball really make that much of a difference or is it more on the person who drills the balls...

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TKelly · « **Reply #1 on:** January 09, 2011, 07:28:40 AM »

Definately a drilling issue... I had a J.Corner that was drilled too aggressive and it burned up way to quick, so it was a marshmellow at the pins....Plugged and redrilled,no cost to me, and the ball came Alive.....Hit like a Mack Truck....

Metal_rules · « **Reply #2 on:** January 09, 2011, 07:55:30 AM »

this can be a combo of issues. yes the layout is very important, but not only that but where you bowl at and how the lanes are dressed as well. imo you need at least a 4 ball arsenal, one being just for spares (10 pin,etc) every ball can be used , but only when the lanes are ready for that specific balls cover and drilling layout. after you have the arsenal you want, you have to know your equipment good enough so you can make the correct change. the higher end balls are more suited for longer or heavier conditions, or should i say tournament conditions. the bottom line is you don't always need a high level (dollar) ball to score well. but sometimes you might. it depends where you bowl and if its for league or tourneys.

Edited by track attack on 1/9/2011 at 2:07 PM

Dan Belcher · « **Reply #3 on:** January 09, 2011, 08:59:04 AM »

Expensive bowling balls don't strike more. They just usually are meant more for long, oily lane conditions, and really do require a lot of help to get down the lane and retain energy. Aside from one game when the lanes got particularly weird, I haven't pulled anything out of my bag the past two weeks on house shots other than my $120 Tropical Heat because it's a house shot -- there's always friction galore. Even when people complain about the shot being "really oily," there's still a ton of friction compared to most tournament and sport shots I've seen. On those kind of patterns, the high-dollar equipment can shine because it reads the oil much better. But unless you really do see that much oil, high dollar balls are going to limit your options. I can take advantage of them sometimes because of my lower rev rate, but even then I have something like a Gravity Shift drilled for length and have to play tighter to the headpin in the puddle of oil because very strong coverstocks like that hate seeing friction too soon, even if you polish them.

David Lee Yskes · « **Reply #4 on:** January 09, 2011, 12:34:02 PM »

I think Dan, said it best...

expensive bowling balls doesnt always mean its a better ball, expecially if your just bowling leagues....

Now if your bowling alot of tournaments, they yea, you might need a variety of bowling balls. But even then the high performing balls doesnt always mean its better suited towards your game.

On my league shot, I have to use a Pin-up ball, just to get the ball down the lane far enough for me..

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Aloarjr810 · « **Reply #5 on:** January 09, 2011, 01:05:28 PM »

Just wondering what was the lower cost ball that out performed it?

Doug Sterner · « **Reply #6 on:** January 09, 2011, 01:15:43 PM »

There is only a very small percentage (maybe 10%) of the typical house bowlers who NEED a high end ball. There are very few bowlers who need anything higher end than a Raw Hammer line ball, Nomad, Fast/Furious, or the like.

The lower end balls like the Tropical Heats, Avalanches, Vibes, Slingshots, Freezes and DarkStar/Riot will typically equal or even outperform the likes of the Anarchy, Mission, Taboo, Jigsaws, Invasions and Mutant Cells due to the coverstocks being so strong that they overreact to the abundant dry found on typical house patterns.

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Xcessive_Evil · « **Reply #7 on:** January 10, 2011, 07:52:12 AM »

Dan Belcher wrote on 1/9/2011 9:59 AM:
Expensive bowling balls don't strike more. They just usually are meant more for long, oily lane conditions, and really do require a lot of help to get down the lane and retain energy. Aside from one game when the lanes got particularly weird, I haven't pulled anything out of my bag the past two weeks on house shots other than my $120 Tropical Heat because it's a house shot -- there's always friction galore. Even when people complain about the shot being "really oily," there's still a ton of friction compared to most tournament and sport shots I've seen. On those kind of patterns, the high-dollar equipment can shine because it reads the oil much better. But unless you really do see that much oil, high dollar balls are going to limit your options. I can take advantage of them sometimes because of my lower rev rate, but even then I have something like a Gravity Shift drilled for length and have to play tighter to the headpin in the puddle of oil because very strong coverstocks like that hate seeing friction too soon, even if you polish them.

+10. My Fast sees more action on a house shot than anything else I have.

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T C 300 · « **Reply #8 on:** January 10, 2011, 08:00:50 AM »

im sure you've heard this a time or 4..... SOME TIMES LESS IS MORE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

PLM · « **Reply #9 on:** January 10, 2011, 08:06:19 AM »

Everything said here is right on track, I believe. For what it is worth, I have some perspective because I bowl in a traveling league in 3 different houses. I have a Virtual Gravity, a Second Dimension, and a Twisted Fury. All are drilled very close to the same drilling, but the difference is the amount of friction provided by the cover (High, Medium, Lower). In one house I rely heavily on the VG, in the second I use it some, in the third I do not use it much at all because there is almost never enough oil. It is all about the shot that has been put out and the amount of oil. Who you are bowling with also matters (when I bowl with leftys or people playing over or outside the 2nd arrow, the VG always holds up longer because there are fewer people playing right where I am playing - around the 14 or 15 board). The VG is a great ball, no doubt, but it needs enough oil to use it, otherwise it is like using a 3 wood when you need an 8 iron to hit the green.

Zanatos1914 · « **Reply #10 on:** January 10, 2011, 08:24:54 AM »

Aloarjr810 wrote on 1/9/2011 2:05 PM:Just wondering what was the lower cost ball that out performed it?

I bought RSX 300 by ebonite for $40 redrilled once that moves allot more boads than the Corner.. Finding information on my RSX 300 was hard and sometimes the demonstration arent accurate but this ball drilled aggressive does everything on the clips.

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Edited by Zanatos1914 on 1/10/2011 at 9:30 AM

rvmark · « **Reply #11 on:** January 10, 2011, 07:37:57 PM »

It all depends on the conditions that you are bowling on. I bowl in two houses that put out a heavier oil pattern and most nights I can throw my Pure Physics for all three games. I bowl in a third house which puts out a lighter volume pattern and all I throw at that house is my Track 300C.

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dizzyfugu · « **Reply #12 on:** January 10, 2011, 11:53:39 PM »

David Lee Yskes wrote on 09.01.2011 1:34 PM:
I think Dan, said it best...

expensive bowling balls doesnt always mean its a better ball, expecially if your just bowling leagues....

Now if your bowling alot of tournaments, they yea, you might need a variety of bowling balls. But even then the high performing balls doesnt always mean its better suited towards your game.

On my league shot, I have to use a Pin-up ball, just to get the ball down the lane far enough for me..

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Second Dan's statement. High end equipment has its justification, but unless you play on REAL long and oily patterns, a player with a decent release does not really need all that grip - it is IMHO rather counter-productive or deludes you to play the ball weakly, so it rather skids down the high friction environment. But on a THS, you IMHO hardly need anything more than a mid-price piece. Personally, I have played my recent league season just with my old black Pure Hammer, my Renegade (a ball from 2000!) and only had once or twice the opportunity to use my Azo Ultra Radical Pearl effectively, due to simple lack of oil. Any stronger ball just stays at home - which is sad, because my personal challenge is rather to keep the balls "alive" than making it hook...

Just check your situation - high end CAN make sense, but it does not mean "Huge price tag = high scores". Besides, the high end stuff also needs more thought about drilling and surface - you should know very well what you want to do with that ball. Just telling you pro shop "make it hook BIIIIG" will certainly not make the user happy. Rather the pro shop, because sooner or later another high end ball will be punched up, because the last one "did not hook much". This is what the industry lives from...

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DON DRAPER · « **Reply #13 on:** January 11, 2011, 01:27:39 PM »

Although I've done well with mid-priced and entry-level priced equipment ALL of my 300 games and 800 series have occured with high-end equipment. The seasons where I've had my highest averages have been with high-end equipment. Most of my tournament success has been with high-end equipment. That being said, I don't think it's the person who drilled the ball as much as it's the guy throwing it. Certain bowling balls may match-up better for some people.

Mighty Buffalo · « **Reply #14 on:** January 13, 2011, 11:30:37 AM »

I would tend to agree with what is being said above. I have carried a 220- 230 average on a house shot for the past 3 years using almost exclusively a pearlized tropical storm. After much experimenting at my house because of a resurfacing of the lanes, I have realized that my shot that has always worked with my tropical storm has just moved out.

One of the major benefits of using the lower end balls is that I have been able to stay in the same area for a longer period of time without making major adjustments to my line, speed, release etc.

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