Author Topic: How can Lower RG balls have snappy backends? (Read 8704 times)

Ric Clint · « **on:** July 27, 2004, 08:51:00 AM »

How is this possible? It seems that Higher RG balls would store up more energy and drive harder, but some companies are now coming out with Low RG balls in the 2.46-2.49 range and saying that they are Sid/Flip balls... How???

How do they store energy for the backend, if they're rolling early???

In order for Lower RG balls to have a big strong backend (or even be skid/flip), what kind of differential do they have to have in order to make this kind of ball reaction possible... High Differential like .058-.070 ... or Low Differential like .030-.045

To me, it seems that in order for the Low RG balls to have a strong backend, that there must be a High Differentail present... but that's just my thinking.

Thoughts?

Brickguy221 · « **Reply #16 on:** July 28, 2004, 01:27:13 PM »

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BTW: Your profile says that you have problems getting the ball to rev in the mid-lane and I see that all of you balls are drilled with the pin near your ring finger

Constantine, I guess I should be a little more specific or clear on that statement in my profile. The balls I have listed that I currently use are pretty much low RG balls and they do rev for me in mid-lane, but not enough to play deep. The problem of getting the balls to rev in mid-lane is high pin balls and higher RG balls. I'll see if I can clarify that in my profile or maybe delete it entirely. That part of my profile was written when I had 4 balls with the Pin over fingers in some capicity and the thought to change or eliminate that statement never dawned on me.

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Brickguy221 · « **Reply #17 on:** July 28, 2004, 01:53:41 PM »

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Have you tried a ball with the pin lower/closer to your PAP? Instead of a 4" pin to PAP, use a 2 3/4" pin to PAP. Flare potential and total hook are very close (used differential is the same), but the ball revs earlier due to the lower RG used.

Constantine, would this Pin closer to my PAP make higher RG balls more useable?

One more question on the Pin at 2 3/4". What angle from the PAP should the Pin be placed? For example, it could be pointed straight up or 45 towards the back or straight back or etc. Kind of hard to explain what I am asking here. Do you understand what I am asking?......And now what about CG placement if the Pin is 2 3/4" from PAP?......My driller is not the "smartest tool in the shed" by any means so I can't ask him or have him help with these questions.

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Constantine · « **Reply #18 on:** July 28, 2004, 06:04:11 PM »

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would this Pin closer to my PAP make higher RG balls more useable?

Potentially, it could make a higher RG ball more useable, but I wouldn't recommend it for you on most conditions unless the ball has a differential on the higher side.

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One more question on the Pin at 2 3/4". What angle from the PAP should the Pin be placed? For example, it could be pointed straight up or 45 towards the back or straight back or etc. Kind of hard to explain what I am asking here. Do you understand what I am asking?......And now what about CG placement if the Pin is 2 3/4" from PAP?......My driller is not the "smartest tool in the shed" by any means so I can't ask him or have him help with these questions.

CG placement would depend on what you are looking for the ball to do in the backends. If you are looking for a strong smooth reaction, put the CG at 2 3/4" also. (My benchmark ball is a 2 3/4 x 2 3/4 with a weighthole on PAP.) If you want more angle in the back, then move the CG toward your grip center.

As far a where should the pin go in relation to PAP, it depends on PAP distance from CG and where you want the CG placed. However, as a general guidline, I'd put the pin on a line from your PAP to your ring finger hole.
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Brickguy221 · « **Reply #19 on:** July 29, 2004, 12:39:57 AM »

Thanks a bunch Constantine, you answered my question.

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Ric Clint · « **Reply #20 on:** December 28, 2004, 02:10:52 AM »

Just pushing this back to the top... I thought this was some good stuff!

Anymore comments???

Splitz · « **Reply #21 on:** December 28, 2004, 06:34:34 AM »

On a typically super blocked lane condition everything is skid flip if you put it down in the soup and aim it outside. I haven't seen a ball yet that can hook in the center of some of the THS setups. My biggest complaint is no matter what you hear about a ball, on a fresh league shot they all act pretty much the same if you inside out them, splash, skid, screech, snap, pow.

Now when you are lucky enough to get on decent oil patterns then I agree that a low RG ball is usually an early roller IF the coverstock can grab the lane. But your release matters too. Spin the ball more and everything mellows out.

thfonz98 · « **Reply #22 on:** December 28, 2004, 09:43:12 AM »

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Silver Streak Pearl is a perfect example....2.52 pretty low but flippy

vicious pearl also

2.51 rg
.058 diff.
BTM 17 length rating and 8.3 flare rating
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