Quote from: milorafferty on November 02, 2016, 10:52:30 AM

Quote from: morpheus on November 02, 2016, 10:37:34 AM

I would love to see the USBC try this even if it was on a on a small scale with a handful off associations. I realize you know everything about all the local associations and it would never work, but I would rather try and fail than do nothing because membership has been declining for decades and I doubt this would make it any worse.

I've actually been on local association boards and have seen it first hand.

But I ask again, have YOU ever been on a local association board?

Have you EVER done anything to promote bowling?

And no, continuous bitching about the national body doesn't count, no matter how much time and effort you spend doing it.

You are exactly the problem with the current group of dinosaurs making decisions about bowling's future at the national and local level. You have all the answers but nothing you do has made a difference in the last three decades. You're defending a broken model and seem to be content with failure probably because it benefits you individually in some way. The facts cannot be disputed, bowling has been in a massive decline for decades, far more than any other sport has experienced. You're either part of the solution, or in your case, part of the problem...it's time for new ideas.

I coached plenty of kids and professionals when I was active and still have access to plenty of board members at the local and national level, so please stop telling me about how things work. Keep doing what you're doing, it's noble work but will never be enough. I'm merely pointing out the obvious thing that declining membership over decades is trying to tell you...YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG!

Quote from: milorafferty on November 02, 2016, 03:05:41 PM

Quote from: morpheus on November 02, 2016, 01:52:27 PM

I coached plenty of kids and professionals when I was active and still have access to plenty of board members at the local and national level, so please stop telling me about how things work. Keep doing what you're doing, it's noble work but will never be enough. I'm merely pointing out the obvious thing that declining membership over decades is trying to tell you...YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG!

And you are doing NOTHING. Except of course bitching about what everyone else does. So keep up the good work.

I'm merely pointing out that the current model has resulted in millions of lost members so why so you think it's working?

So we should never question the USBC because it's bad for bowling? That's the most nonsensical thing I've ever heard and one of them primary reasons bowling has failed to change with the times. I'm starting to think you've never actually worked in the real world where change is a constant and we always look for better ways of doing things to stay competitive. Dude you seriously should move to a country where freedom of thought is discouraged because you're argument is really disturbing.

Quote from: morpheus on November 02, 2016, 03:44:05 PM

So we should never question the USBC because it's bad for bowling? That's the most nonsensical thing I've ever heard and one of them primary reasons bowling has failed to change with the times. I'm starting to think you've never actually worked in the real world where change is a constant and we always look for better ways of doing things to stay competitive. Dude you seriously should move to a country where freedom of thought is discouraged because you're argument is really disturbing.

I'm very curious why you have such a strong hatred for the USBC, but you have stopped bowling in sanctioned leagues and tournaments? You've shown by not paying your yearly dues that you're done with them, so you really don't have a right to complain anymore. It's the same thing as people who don't vote, yet complain about all of the politicians. In no way am I bashing you or questioning your intelligence on this, but just really curious as to why you keep talking about the USBC with such hatred when you aren't a member anymore? I personally know when I quit something, I try to block it out of my mind and not discuss it anymore. I know the USBC isn't perfect by any means, but like numerous people here have mentioned, the small price we pay for a yearly membership is worth it to me for the amount of sanctioned tournaments I bowl in, the USBC Open Championship I bowl in, all of the record keeping, and the ability to keep league money safe.

Quote from: morpheus on November 02, 2016, 03:44:05 PM

So we should never question the USBC because it's bad for bowling? That's the most nonsensical thing I've ever heard and one of them primary reasons bowling has failed to change with the times. I'm starting to think you've never actually worked in the real world where change is a constant and we always look for better ways of doing things to stay competitive. Dude you seriously should move to a country where freedom of thought is discouraged because you're argument is really disturbing.

If anything you have said was credible it might be different. The decline in bowling memberships is not due to the governing body of the sport. It's been documented, explained, rehashed, rewarmed, discussed, re-discussed, argued, bitched about, etc. for years.

Every single time the national body TRIES anything new, you and your ilk start with the same crap. Just in case you forget, you started out by bitching about something new they were trying called "The Core". We heard the same crap when USBC tried to raise money by selling those training DVD's. And again when they wanted to implement a lane condition inspection program.

It just goes on and on and then you have the nerve to complain they aren't doing anything to prevent the decline in bowling all the while YOU ain't doing squat except pointing fingers and bitching about everything tried.

Grow up, find something else to do besides bowling.