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Nodsleinad

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If the PWBA folds......
« on: August 06, 2003, 10:07:52 PM »
... do you think any of the women on that tour will join / compete in the PBA?  After all it is the Professional Bowlers Tour".  So if the lady is a Pro, can she bowl in the PBA or is it inclusive to men only? If it is, I am sure that will be shot down in a moment and the PBA would open up to Women as well.

If they do who could compete?
Who would win?
Who would crash and burn quickly?

Your thoughts?

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michelle

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Re: If the PWBA folds......
« Reply #1 on: August 07, 2003, 01:13:46 PM »

Even if/when the plug gets pulled, the question of competing is moot until the PBA removed the language that limited membership.  Based upon the sentiment of some of the PBA members, accomplishing the rule change would not be an immediate certainty.
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Re: If the PWBA folds......
« Reply #2 on: August 07, 2003, 01:33:23 PM »
I think that one of two things will happen, when the PWBA folds. The PBA will start up a seperate womens' tour or/and the women will be allowed to compete in the PBA and the rules changed. Unlike the ABC/WIBC the owners just have to change the language because they want to. Still undecided if I like the idea of bowling with the ladies or not. Most of our regionals are full or at least during the "off" season for the regular tour. I guess if they meet the 200 average rule, then I really don't think it should matter. Right now the ladies average limit is lower than ours.
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Re: If the PWBA folds......
« Reply #3 on: August 07, 2003, 01:40:33 PM »
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Based upon the sentiment of some of the PBA members, accomplishing the rule change would not be an immediate certainty.


This is sad... If all non-gender/race related requirements of joining the PBA can be met by an individual, the door should be open.  It would be especially gracious and probably well received by the general public if the PBA would willingly offer membership to the existing PWBA bowlers in the event the PWBA cannot go forward.  I think the PBA would miss an excellent PR opportunity if they do not reach out to the ladies.  It would be unfortunate for the PWBA to fold, but it could be a boost to bowling if the PBA would do this, and MAKE A BIG DEAL out of it in the media - maybe get some front page coverage for the sport.  Something along the lines of good sportsmanship and taking the game of bowling forward by erasing the gender barrier could play well in the media.

As for the ladies being competitive - this could be argued forever, but until we see it first hand for more than one tournament, we will never know for sure.

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tburky

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Re: If the PWBA folds......
« Reply #4 on: August 07, 2003, 02:14:44 PM »
Why not let the ladies bowl on the PBA. I think they should be allowed.
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Re: If the PWBA folds......
« Reply #5 on: August 07, 2003, 02:16:32 PM »
I've read some side discussion on the PBA forum about including the women on the men's senior tour. If you think about it, it makes sense for some of the following reasons:

1) The upper tier women may actually have a chance against the seniors.
2) From a marketing perspective, a combined women/senior-men tour would generate a lot of interest, and hopefully more money for the participants.

Political correctness aside, this is a much better option for the women than opening membership to the PBA, which would probably result in a lose-lose for all.
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NevadaBowl

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Re: If the PWBA folds......
« Reply #6 on: August 07, 2003, 03:38:52 PM »
The best option would be for the PBA to create a women't tour.

The second best would be allow the women to compete in the PBA.  It would be a simple matter.  Allow the top 10 or 12 women in the PWBA to compete on the National Tour.  This could be based on points or wins or whatever.  Allow other PWBA card holders to come up through the regional program just like everyone else.  If they can compete, fine.  If not, there are always others coming up that would take up the challenge.

Not really that enthused about the Ladies/Seniors combo.  I'm not a female so I don't know how Michelle or Mumzie (or even TenTen, Kimbo or HammerChick) would feel about it, but I would think they might be slighted at being relegated to that kind of tour instead of having a shot at the National Tour.
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Re: If the PWBA folds......
« Reply #7 on: August 07, 2003, 04:20:29 PM »
I'd hate to be the 13th best woman's bowler in the world under one of the scenarios mentioned.

However, I think combined senior tour combined with Woman's tour may be quite cool!  

I think the men will have to start giving about 5 to 10 pins.

Note I've been beaten badly by a woman around here at times.
But she unleashed her secret weapons on me!
1. She doesn't miss spares.
2. She wears the shortest shorts and has the best legs and manyother unfair items that tend to tighten up my stroke!

REgards,

Luckylefty

PS I would like to track this lovelies opponents averages.
PPS I think on the senior tour if she made it to the finals she could average 185 and be the years leading money winner if she made it to 3 finals.  Unfair method of competition.
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Tex

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Re: If the PWBA folds......
« Reply #8 on: August 08, 2003, 08:44:09 AM »
I think what I would like to see is a PBA Women's tour, but open up the majors to the women just like it is to the seniors and top regional players. This would increase their opportunities at big money. The catch will be with the new format, the ladies will most likely have no shot at the 04-05 season due to seeding of the players from this year.
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Re: If the PWBA folds......
« Reply #9 on: August 08, 2003, 09:54:38 AM »
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Based upon the sentiment of some of the PBA members, accomplishing the rule change would not be an immediate certainty.

Michelle, the PBA members have no say in anything any more.  If Steve Miller wants the ladies on the PBA tour, the only people he needs to consult are his three bosses.

If the PWBA's television contract could be used to give the Seniors tv time, they might welcome the ladies to their tour.  I'm not so sure the women would be very happy, though, as the Senior Tour is basically a traveling pot game.  They're just bowling for their own money, and the top prizes are miniscule, even by current PWBA standards.

Today's the day for the announcement.  I don't see anything yet on pwba.com...
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michelle

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Re: If the PWBA folds......
« Reply #10 on: August 08, 2003, 10:09:50 AM »
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Based upon the sentiment of some of the PBA members, accomplishing the rule change would not be an immediate certainty.

Michelle, the PBA members have no say in anything any more.  If Steve Miller wants the ladies on the PBA tour, the only people he needs to consult are his three bosses.


I know that the players technically don't have any say, but would Miller really risk having more PBA members walk than he would stand to gain by allowing women? On something that significant, you have to feel he would give some weight to prevailing sentiment, especially of the long-time members.


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Today's the day for the announcement.  I don't see anything yet on pwba.com...


I'd look for the announcement to come end of day, and I really don't know if it will make it to the website by close of business.  And, to be quite honest, I wouldn't be entirely surprised to see another deadline extension...after all, this isn't the first rumoured drop dead date we have seen this season.
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seadrive

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Re: If the PWBA folds......
« Reply #11 on: August 08, 2003, 11:33:18 AM »
Michelle, I honestly don't think Steve Miller gives a rat's rear quarters what the players think or want, especially the older (read "less marketable") guys, as evidenced by the shoddy treatment the seniors are currently receiving.

Besides, the PBA is, or soon will be, the only game in town.  Where would they "walk" to?
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T-GOD

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Re: If the PWBA folds......
« Reply #12 on: August 08, 2003, 01:39:28 PM »
I wouldn't worry about women bowling in the PBA, because next year, only the top 50 men in points will be able to bowl..!! Actually, there will be 57 regular touring players and 7 exempt spots for a total of 64 paid bowlers each tournament.

At the end of the year, 7 of the touring bowlers will have to try and re-qualify along with the top players from the regionals.

Maybe some women can get 1 of the seven exempt spots each week..? =:^D
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JOE FALCO

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Re: If the PWBA folds......
« Reply #13 on: August 08, 2003, 02:03:04 PM »
I'm FAR from being a PRO! However my feeling is: LET THE WOMEN BOWL WITH THE PBA .. BUT .. DON'T CHANGE THE RULES! Reducing the requirements is the beginning of THE END!
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michelle

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Re: If the PWBA folds......
« Reply #14 on: August 08, 2003, 08:43:29 PM »
Another deadline extended...

In relevant part:
The Professional Women’s Bowling Association is postponing its August 8 deadline to determine the status for the 2003 fall schedule until Monday, August 11 at 1 p.m. (EST).  Tour President, John Falzone made the decision today to allow a potential investor more time to review tour assets, its history and fan demographics.
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