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squirrelywrath1

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If two-hand and no-thumb bowling get banned, then this......
« on: February 24, 2016, 06:05:13 PM »
....needs to go too.   It's wrist supports.

Bowlers who depend on the extra help the supports give such as Scroggins and Liz Johnson can kiss their careers bye-bye.

If they want to ban the extra "help" the two hand & no-thumb gives..... then the "help" wrist supports give needs to go too.

 

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Re: If two-hand and no-thumb bowling get banned, then this......
« Reply #1 on: February 24, 2016, 06:12:37 PM »
What about the people who use wrist braces so they aren't in pain and are able to bowl?

How many senior bowlers use wrist braces? You're alienating a large portion of today's bowling population by doing that
« Last Edit: February 24, 2016, 06:20:21 PM by SVstar34 »

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Re: If two-hand and no-thumb bowling get banned, then this......
« Reply #2 on: February 24, 2016, 06:25:11 PM »
lets go back to plastic balls and see you can bowl.

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Re: If two-hand and no-thumb bowling get banned, then this......
« Reply #3 on: February 24, 2016, 06:31:26 PM »
Is wrist supports allowed in the PBA?
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Re: If two-hand and no-thumb bowling get banned, then this......
« Reply #4 on: February 24, 2016, 06:42:46 PM »
They can't ban braces because of seniors and people with injuries that require the support. And I know this doesn't encompass a lot of people, but there are some people who cannot use a thumb because of injuries. I have a teammate that has broken his left hand so many times in so many places that using a thumb to bowl causes pain and swelling. His right hand is even worse. Football and construction work have taken its toll on him.

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Re: If two-hand and no-thumb bowling get banned, then this......
« Reply #5 on: February 24, 2016, 07:27:36 PM »
lets go back to plastic balls and see you can bowl.

I already am.  Never said I was any good though.   But I can tell you that I piss off other bowlers because I cause different lane transition.   So much, that one guy will take the day off if he has to bowl against me.

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Re: If two-hand and no-thumb bowling get banned, then this......
« Reply #6 on: February 24, 2016, 07:32:34 PM »
I'm often found using a wrist support, the glove with the bar on the posterior part of the hand. I use it when my wrist gets painful and/or my tendinitis flares up. My fingers joints gets swollen and such....

When my release is suffering without the brace due to a painful right hand/wrist - picking up the ball even hurts some times, I put on the wrist support. I don't like it but I have to. It helps me bowl through the night and still enjoy the game.

Note: ever since I went on a diet last Oct. and changed my eating habits, my pain reduced and flare ups not as often.
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Re: If two-hand and no-thumb bowling get banned, then this......
« Reply #7 on: February 24, 2016, 07:34:55 PM »
Is wrist supports allowed in the PBA?

Yup.   Watch Scroggins:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDKVcKg_PLU

He seems to get a lot of help from that crazy thing on his wrist.  I doubt he'd be competitive without it.   Just as I doubt that Belmo would be competitive is he actually had to use his thumb.

So, as far as I'm concerned... if the governing bodies decide to ban one, they must ban the other.  (Or simply bowl in unsanctioned competition where anything goes)

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Re: If two-hand and no-thumb bowling get banned, then this......
« Reply #8 on: February 24, 2016, 07:43:46 PM »
They can't ban braces because of seniors and people with injuries that require the support. And I know this doesn't encompass a lot of people, but there are some people who cannot use a thumb because of injuries. I have a teammate that has broken his left hand so many times in so many places that using a thumb to bowl causes pain and swelling. His right hand is even worse. Football and construction work have taken its toll on him.


I hear ya.  Personally, I can twist the cover off the ball with my thumb in.  But, in doing so I also rip it to shreds and my hand hurts afterward.   I found that I can score just as well NOT using my thumb, with the bonus of not having any pain issues.   But unfortunately for me, many others feel that I'm gaining an unfair advantage and my technique should be banned.

I say, how is this any different from someone using a wrist support?   Both types are trying to compensate for something right?    You ban one, you gotta ban the other.

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Re: If two-hand and no-thumb bowling get banned, then this......
« Reply #9 on: February 24, 2016, 08:32:18 PM »
Lets ban bowling shoes and NO socks.  Bare feet only. Oh, and only natural stone balls, aka, Flintstone style bowilng. Yabba dabba dooo... Stone slate alleys with no modifications whatsoever.
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Skip H

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Re: If two-hand and no-thumb bowling get banned, then this......
« Reply #10 on: February 24, 2016, 08:42:14 PM »
Two handed won't be banned.

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Re: If two-hand and no-thumb bowling get banned, then this......
« Reply #11 on: February 25, 2016, 12:27:16 AM »
Haha! Yeah I'm sure Scroggins has no talent... It's all in the wrist protector..  Sorry that is funny to me. They should on the other hand make him wear hat. Dude is hard to look at.

None of this stuff will get banned though

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Re: If two-hand and no-thumb bowling get banned, then this......
« Reply #12 on: February 25, 2016, 07:52:07 AM »
The argument is silly to me. No matter what hand you use, whether your thumb is in the ball or out, whether you take 4, 5, or 6 steps, and whether you use a wrist device or not, you still have to hit a target with proper speed, revs, tilt, etc. None of the aforementioned items guarantees your success. There are two-handed bowlers who stink. There are people who wear wrist devices and still put little to nothing on the ball.

A few years back, I tried to learn two-handed bowling. I stuck with it for a year, and I improved a great deal from beginning to end; nevertheless, I was still a far better one-handed player than I was a two-hander at the end of that time. Yes, there were times where the extra revs of two-handed bowling allowed me to play the lanes differently than other people, but that didn't matter unless I could actually throw good shots while playing there. Too many people look at no-thumb bowling, wrist braces, etc. as some sort of guaranteed advantage. If there truly were a single factor that gave you an automatic boost right off the bat, EVERY high level player out there would be doing that thing, whatever it was.

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Re: If two-hand and no-thumb bowling get banned, then this......
« Reply #13 on: February 25, 2016, 07:59:59 AM »
Is wrist supports allowed in the PBA?
Yes, they are. They don't work very well with the younger bowlers, because of the cocking/uncocking they need to generate revs.  Most seniors use them to overcome weakness and to prevent wrist pain.
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Re: If two-hand and no-thumb bowling get banned, then this......
« Reply #14 on: February 25, 2016, 08:04:24 AM »
Haha! Yeah I'm sure Scroggins has no talent... It's all in the wrist protector..  Sorry that is funny to me. They should on the other hand make him wear hat. Dude is hard to look at.

None of this stuff will get banned though
Yea, I have had guys ask what kind of wrist device I use (Storm Gizmo) because they wanted to hook the ball like I do!  Can ya believe it?
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