Author Topic: Is it possible to bowl bad on a wall? (Read 4112 times)

A_P_K · « **on:** October 09, 2003, 07:33:14 AM »

I don't know, I must truly suck at this sport. My Thursday league is pumping out more oil than Saudi Arabia can each year, from 10-10, with the outsides SCORCHED from sunburn. The pattern was laid out for the REV CHALLENGED who couldn't handle the longer flatter oils.

I can do well on other shots, even bowl a tad under average, but this one shot in particular has drier heads, oil in the mid lanes, and fresh backends. You can count on one thing though is that it's nearly impossible to put it in the channel if you have hand. Just watch your ball go down the lane and make a three on its way to the pins.

When the oil carries down in the middle of the first game (normal?) it makes for a speed consistency nightmare, too fast you're leaving washouts, too slow you're chopping the beak.....or down right missing the headpin.

Tonight I used the XL and it worked well in getting to the pocket consistently, but the damn carry down brought my carry down.....as well as everyone else with hand.

Anyone out there know what to do when you stink and can't hit a wall because your natural release is still too strong for the shot?

No retarded comments.....if you want to be funny that's cool, as long as you got serious info to give me. This condition is really bringing my self confidence to the toilet.

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In the old days people used to cut wood with axes.....................now and days...............they just have Executioners do it for them!

Pin_Krusher IS a serious threat to modern day bowling wood as we know it today.

Edited on 10/10/2003 8:27 AM

louie · « **Reply #1 on:** October 09, 2003, 10:41:59 PM »

Either play deeper than most or use a very mild ball and play the same line the no handers play.
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Buzzhead · « **Reply #2 on:** October 09, 2003, 10:56:12 PM »

Man I FEEL your pain!! I have the same damn problem
on my Monday nite league. bunch a no handers fluffin
the ball up the dry with less revs than pchees hog.
and I cannot keep a plastic ball in the pocket. Pull it
in a bit and you slide by push it out a bit and your 4 pin huntin.
if you find an answer let me know, I may have found a solution.
Pearl Viper pin under fingers, cg swung out and wetsanded to 2500 grit.
(you think trizact is hard to find) will let you know more Monday.
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charlest · « **Reply #3 on:** October 09, 2003, 11:35:34 PM »

A_P_K,

Except for the dry heads, and oily midlane which make for a murderous (you want to murder the manager) combination,
This is THE place for a control ball. A control ball can be for oily, for medium or for dry patterns. If the heads are dry enough to prevent all but pearls from getting through and if there is serious carrydown (as you indicate), then a pearl urethane, highly polished solid urethane or similar mild hooking ball may be necessary.

Have you tried a Blue Hot Flame? You had had one for sale; don't recall if you still have one. Your speed may be enough to enable it to work when thrown out to the dry , 1-10 board.

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9andaWiggle · « **Reply #4 on:** October 09, 2003, 11:48:50 PM »

Welcome to my hell!! I have reverted back to polished pearl urethane, and play right up 2nd arrow, like Louie said. If you start hitting the carrydown and pinging tens, you can usually swing it a little further, kinda playing around the outside of everyone else and regain carry, but your speed has to be very good (mine isn't) or you'll run into the washout or through the nose 4-6-7.

I am absolutely dumbfounded as to HOW on God's green earth someone can fluff a hookmonster enough to only get five boards of hook on the back end - but I see it every night I bowl. I don't think I could do that unless I only put my thumb in the ball - regardless of how much I tried to kill the revs/roll. And I'll admit, I get decent revs and movement, but there are many out there who get much more on it than I do. Anyhow, good luck!!

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Why, WHY won't the last one just fall?? It's WIGGLING for cryin' out loud!!

T-GOD · « **Reply #5 on:** October 10, 2003, 12:49:28 AM »

APK, there are a few options for you.

1. You will need a ball that hooks more, to cut through the carry down.
2. Stand farther left and throw farther right.
3. Loft the ball over the heads. grr
4. You need a drilling/ball that will roll out off the dry. Try a solid cover, lower and/or shorter pins, bottom weight, thumb weight negative side, or a combination of the above.
5. Get a XXXL and play in the dry with the REV CHALLENGED..!!

Welcome to my world. =:^D

Splitz · « **Reply #6 on:** October 10, 2003, 07:59:34 AM »

I tried this and it worked for me on bone dry outsides. I took a Blaze, which is supposed to be a go longer particle ball if I remember correctly, and drilled it with the pin on the PAP. This put the mass in the track to kill the flare. It hooked too much at first, but when I had it polished 1500 or better, it was a very good down and in ball for just bumping the edge of the oil/dry line. In the oil it was dead and in the dry it just kind of slowly faded towards the pocket. BUT, with the good control comes the slightly above average ringing tens on seemingly good pocket hits and when the oil carries down you need to stay focused so you can angle the ball out into the desert a little sooner so it generates a better angle into the pocket. The more I tried to come up the back, the better it worked. The more I came around the ball the more erratic it was, except for the first frames while the backends were still really clean. So if you have a similar ball to experiment with, it may work for you also.

A_P_K · « **Reply #7 on:** October 10, 2003, 08:01:13 AM »

I have tried moving deeper, but I need more practice on trusting my ball through the swamp in the middle. Like Sawbones said I'm tentative towards the wash outs alot of people (even me) leave from the carrydown.

I have tried the Super Carbide from as deep as 35 which works better than average, but can be a little touchy if I pull it in a few boards.

I have also tried the XL straight along the oil line more in the dry, which seemed to "look" like the best line to play, but the carry is HORRIBLE. With the speed issue though if you're off by a hair, the ball will fly off the lane, or will skid to the curtain.

Charlest, I was thinking of the Blue Hot Flame from way outside, will have to take a look a that.

I was also watching a "fluffer" use a pearl hammer urethane, he was killing the shot while other power tweeners/ strokers were lost. I guess it's time to bring out the old Glowing Amulet and see what I can do with urethane.

Oh and, yeah even my natural release has more hand than the condition allows, I'd like to take some out, but then I'd have to take my hand off!

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In the old days people used to cut wood with axes.....................now and days...............they just have Executioners do it for them!

Pin_Krusher IS a serious threat to modern day bowling wood as we know it today.

Edited on 10/10/2003 8:17 AM

A_P_K · « **Reply #8 on:** October 10, 2003, 08:49:56 AM »

I'm seeing alot of responses from the pearl/highly polished urethane view, sounds like a good start for me there.

Xman, last night there was a fellow who damn near spun the ball end over end backwards and he shot 268 for some high 6 set.
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In the old days people used to cut wood with axes.....................now and days...............they just have Executioners do it for them!

Pin_Krusher IS a serious threat to modern day bowling wood as we know it today.

bass · « **Reply #9 on:** October 10, 2003, 09:05:04 AM »

That pattern you described can make you "FRY" with the best of them.
You basically have 2 options.
1) Play in the dirt outside.
Trying to use weaker equipment or a weaker layout.
2) Play in the soup.
Using stronger equipment with a more aggressive layout.

Playing on the edge of the oil line will make you go nuts.
Hit the dry too early and it dead hooks.
Hit it too late and its washout city.

If neither of the above options work;

There's always BEER!!!!!!!!!

mixnmash · « **Reply #10 on:** October 10, 2003, 10:02:25 AM »

I have a friend that has natural hand, too much for a regular pattern alot of times. While most of the time he will just start coming up the back of the ball for more forward roll, I have actually seen him dig a wrist guard out of the bag to kill his release and do it consistently. It is kinda funny how he can go from tossing the most amazing strike ball one shot then toss the fluffer the next. But in longer format tournys it seems to work well for him. If nothing else you gotta give credit for thinking outside the box.

charlest · « **Reply #11 on:** October 10, 2003, 10:13:14 AM »

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Charlest, I do own a flame drilled with pin on grip and CG on negative and is too erratic, over under or poor carry due to carrydown. I use a low loaded pearl particle that is more consistant in the breakpoint and carry excellent, it is drilled 10:30 Leverage (XF-Reloaded). Also use a Reactve (Bullwhip) Pin over fingers and CG on PAP (10:30 Label), has excellent control and is about around 5 boards less strong than my XF- Reloaded. Just my comments having so much problems with over/under.

No, of course not, joecr; you can't use a ball like the Blue Hot Flame or any very mild ball on carrydown. it's strictly for very dry conditions. I am suggesting to A_P_K a mild ball to enable him to play the dry outside rather than the odd condition inside which has a ton of carrydown.

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A_P_K · « **Reply #12 on:** October 10, 2003, 12:59:44 PM »

Thank you for your advice people,

So far I like the urethane idea the best out of them all. With the dry heads to start, and heavy carrydown by the middle of the first game, it will be very hard to get a particle to the backend with enough energy left to turn the corner.

Even swinging dweep inside with a particle may not be the best option, but I can always go with that as a backup plan.

Option 4 does exactly what Plus40 said, so that's ruled out for the time being.

Another great option was to go with the weak ball and stay in the dirt with the "fluffers" and cut back on my release.

Ok, I will practice on these issues and just quickly update you if I truly suck or not.
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In the old days people used to cut wood with axes.....................now and days...............they just have Executioners do it for them!

Pin_Krusher IS a serious threat to modern day bowling wood as we know it today.

A_P_K · « **Reply #13 on:** October 10, 2003, 01:00:06 PM »

Thank you for your advice people,

So far I like the urethane idea the best out of them all. With the dry heads to start, and heavy carrydown by the middle of the first game, it will be very hard to get a particle to the backend with enough energy left to turn the corner.

Even swinging dweep inside with a particle may not be the best option, but I can always go with that as a backup plan.

Option 4 does exactly what Plus40 said, so that's ruled out for the time being.

Another great option was to go with the weak ball and stay in the dirt with the "fluffers" and cut back on my release.

Ok, I will practice on these issues and just quickly update you if I truly suck or not.
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In the old days people used to cut wood with axes.....................now and days...............they just have Executioners do it for them!

Pin_Krusher IS a serious threat to modern day bowling wood as we know it today.

Jerry Weller · « **Reply #14 on:** October 10, 2003, 02:01:10 PM »

I thought you asked a great question there Sawbones - why can people with hand not take their hand out and play the same area of the lane as the no-handers.

I have tried to do that in practice - but in order to do it I have to collapse my wrist and I find I'm not very consistent when I do that so I haven't tried it in league yet.

I'd say there are also at least a couple of psychological factors at work

1) I worked hard to try to develop a powerful release so I feel kind of "sissy" when I throw a limp wristed shot.

2) Trust - I get the fear that the ball will roll out and leave me flat tens since I'm taking all the revs off the ball.