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12XSECH

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issues with deadly aim
« on: September 10, 2014, 02:15:14 PM »
Have the Aim drilled pin above ring finger, cg kicked slightly out, MB about inch from thumb....Right now I have it at 1500 with no polish. On any decent amount of oil the ball doesnt finish, always hits light and it does carry a lot of the light hits....but its getting frustrating. I have a weight hole near the pap (sorry i dont know the specs) but the pro shop guy told me if they made the hole bigger the ball will read the lane earlier. Or take it 1000 with a small amount of polish... Any suggestions? plug and re drill?

 

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Re: issues with deadly aim
« Reply #1 on: September 10, 2014, 02:39:39 PM »
Have you adjusted the surface on it at all since you've had it?
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Re: issues with deadly aim
« Reply #2 on: September 10, 2014, 02:42:29 PM »
Plugging and redrilling to me is a last ditch option.  Try surfaces, different areas of the lane, maybe try the weight hole thing, but it could be that it doesn't like reacting where you want it to react.  I was throwing my Sinister last night and it was puking hardcore, but after a game of little adjustments, I found the sweet spot and all the sudden it was turning left and throwing pins everywhere.  However, I also understand trying a lot of things with a ball that just isn't really responding well across the board. 
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Re: issues with deadly aim
« Reply #3 on: September 10, 2014, 03:10:10 PM »
Ive tried out of box, 3000, 2000 and now 1500. Im thinking 1000 with a little polish. I have scored high with this ball, but with a lot of sloppy light hit strikes. My avg is 212, been bowling a long time, four 300's etc...but this one is frustrating the hell out me.

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Re: issues with deadly aim
« Reply #4 on: September 10, 2014, 03:15:49 PM »
that's the same issue I have had with the entire defiant line.  its gotta be your unique release and roll....

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Re: issues with deadly aim
« Reply #5 on: September 10, 2014, 03:24:20 PM »
I have the Deadly Aim. I found it's not the oil ball that Hammer touts it to be. It seems to fall into the no man's land of not enough ball for real oil, but too strong for most mediums.
 
I haven't played with the cover yet. But based on what you're reporting, it might not make much difference. 

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Re: issues with deadly aim
« Reply #6 on: September 10, 2014, 05:06:40 PM »
500 + polish, try that
i did this to my disorder and i love that ball
gets through the heads and has some teeth left for a move off the friction
you may need to square up more with that ball on certain conditions

another option is tot try the clean n sheen polish EBI has
its a matte polish that roughly add 1000 to the underlying surface
the low flare has this from the factory, i have tried this a few different pieces

the deadly aim OBB is 4000 + polish, so its super clean up front
the weight hole on the PAP realy helps control the breakpoint and should make it alot less jumpy when it sees friction
i only put a weight hole on my pap for some sport condition pieces

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Re: issues with deadly aim
« Reply #7 on: September 10, 2014, 09:42:34 PM »
If you feel you have exhausted your surface adjustments then I would play with the weight hole first.

A ball we drilled we would adjust the weight hole without charge as long as it stayed in static limits. We also would adjust surface on balls sold thru the shop without charge.

But plugging there is no going back. You have a plugged ball and it is going to cost you.


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Re: issues with deadly aim
« Reply #8 on: September 11, 2014, 07:26:27 AM »
Can a ball at 500 be polished? Wouldnt the polish absorb to much into the cover? I heard this from one guy, not sure if true or not????

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Re: issues with deadly aim
« Reply #9 on: September 11, 2014, 01:32:21 PM »
Please check how the ball is rolling as it enters the pins.  Is it still rotating sideways or is it rolling forward?  If forward, pay attention to when it starts rolling forward and that could be the reason the ball isn't hooking.  It may be rolling out too early and not having a chance to hook.

If you don't have a lot of hand I don't think the deadly aim is going to move much on the backend.  I think it is more of a control piece for heavier oil.  It is going to hook throughout the length of the lane giving the illusion that it has little to no hook on the back end.

From the videos I saw the recovery from outside was suspect.  The ball seems to hook early and isn't very continuous.. more quick roll out than continuous.

see this post

http://www.ballreviews.com/hammer/is-the-deadly-aim-continuous-t302469.0.html;msg2471530#msg2471530

If the weight hole is 3 - 4 inches from the pin then making it bigger won't do very much to change the reaction.  If possible, I would plug the weight hole and move it so that it is 6 3/4 from the pin and either on the MB or just to the right of it.  This will increase the flare and also enhance the MB location. If anything it will give a different look than you have now.  I would try that and then adjust the surface as needed.   This is trusting that the layout on the ball matches up well with your release and style. Putting the weight hole 6 3/4 from the pin but farther away from the MB might be better. It is hard to know without knowing all your stats and seeing the ball roll and seeing the flare pattern.
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Re: issues with deadly aim
« Reply #10 on: September 14, 2014, 11:59:23 AM »
I have the Deadly Aim. I found it's not the oil ball that Hammer touts it to be. It seems to fall into the no man's land of not enough ball for real oil, but too strong for most mediums.
 
I haven't played with the cover yet. But based on what you're reporting, it might not make much difference. 


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Re: issues with deadly aim
« Reply #11 on: September 14, 2014, 12:45:19 PM »
Can a ball at 500 be polished? Wouldnt the polish absorb to much into the cover? I heard this from one guy, not sure if true or not????

no it works if you have the ball speed, I used to do 500 abralon then polish on strong pearl reactives when I needed a ball to play deep with and still get back easily. Give it a shot once.
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Re: issues with deadly aim
« Reply #12 on: September 17, 2014, 06:35:11 PM »
I did 1000 with a little polish...It worked better but still not thrilled. From the outside this ball doesnt finish, it comes up light in the pocket. If I play around 12 and in it works better but very inconsistent, speed sensitive.

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Re: issues with deadly aim
« Reply #13 on: September 18, 2014, 07:03:55 AM »
I have had the same issues with this ball finishing weak. I drilled it myself, then altered the surface many times, then added a balance hole; still weak. As far as I'm concerned, I have an entry level ball with a high performance price. Now I'm gun-shy about buying the BW Legend.

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Re: issues with deadly aim
« Reply #14 on: September 18, 2014, 07:13:47 AM »
That's been a problem with Hammer for several years.  We sold a TON of the Blue/Silver Taboos that came with the free spare ball, and people were pissed because they had a ton of problems getting the spare ball sent to them in the first place AND the ball would hook for some and wouldn't do anything for others.  The Arson was hit or miss, the Epidemic died after 20 games, had problems with the First Blood, Cold Blood, Purple Taboo, etc.  Just hard to recommend a ball to somebody when you don't know what they're going to end up with. 

I DO have to say though that I've seen the Legend in action and so far it looks good.  Actually all the new ones do, the Absolut Flip actually impresses me, and the Blue/Black Spike is a lower end version of the Flip. 

I have had the same issues with this ball finishing weak. I drilled it myself, then altered the surface many times, then added a balance hole; still weak. As far as I'm concerned, I have an entry level ball with a high performance price. Now I'm gun-shy about buying the BW Legend.
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