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just a bit upset..
« on: November 22, 2012, 11:36:36 AM »
Hey guys last night I had two ballsdrilled. When I got home I noticed one wasn't drilled right. I asked for a stacked drill pin over the ring and it got drilled pin over ring with cg in the palm. A label leverage you might say. I am furious but what if anything can I do? I know he'd fix it for free but I am not gonna have a brand new ball that's never been thrown plugged.
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Re: just a bit upset..
« Reply #1 on: November 22, 2012, 11:56:08 AM »
Is the ball in question symmetrical? No need to be upset, its not going to be a huge difference in the two drillings.
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Re: just a bit upset..
« Reply #2 on: November 22, 2012, 11:59:25 AM »
Well I take that back. It depends on what pin stacked means. Need more information. Pin, Cg and/or MB can be stacked 2" from the PAP or 6". All depends on what you asked for. In a symmetrical, CG will only matter for statics and weight hole. 
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Re: just a bit upset..
« Reply #3 on: November 22, 2012, 12:21:25 PM »
 As asked previously, is it a symmetric? If so, there is no need to be upset, because the only real difference would be if you were planning to add a weight hole later. On a symmetric, the CG is used only to allow for extra holes in order to "fine tune" a balls reaction.

 IF IT IS ASYMMETRIC, the placement of the MB is far more important than the CG, and the CG could end up off line and still be a "stacked" drilling, depending on the relation of the CG to a line drawn from the pin to the MB.
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Re: just a bit upset..
« Reply #4 on: November 22, 2012, 12:27:42 PM »
Hey guys last night I had two ballsdrilled. When I got home I noticed one wasn't drilled right. I asked for a stacked drill pin over the ring and it got drilled pin over ring with cg in the palm. A label leverage you might say. I am furious but what if anything can I do? I know he'd fix it for free but I am not gonna have a brand new ball that's never been thrown plugged.

I'm not sure why'd you'd want to do anything.
If you stack the CG below the pin (over the ring finger), then the CG is about 3/4" right (for a right-hander) of the grip.

Even if you wanted to put the CG right of the grip to be able to use a P2/3/4 weight hole, with the CG in the grip you can still put in a weight hole.

Except for the weight hole, that CG location means virtually nothing.

There are significantly more important things to worry about. Honestly.
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Re: just a bit upset..
« Reply #5 on: November 22, 2012, 01:06:55 PM »
The only reason why I would understand being upset is because you asked to have the CG below the pin...other than that, unnecessary stress especially seeing you haven't thrown it.
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Re: just a bit upset..
« Reply #6 on: November 22, 2012, 01:17:47 PM »
My ball driller an esteemed multiple time regional champ would disagree with this set of statements.

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Re: just a bit upset..
« Reply #7 on: November 22, 2012, 02:01:26 PM »
It is a symmetric ball. 2fast. Biggest gripe is that its not what I asked for. I already have a breeze with this drilling and didn't need this one done that way. Maybe it shouldn't bother me but it does. No different than ordering steak and being served a Burger.
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Re: just a bit upset..
« Reply #8 on: November 22, 2012, 02:09:33 PM »
It is a symmetric ball. 2fast. Biggest gripe is that its not what I asked for. I already have a breeze with this drilling and didn't need this one done that way. Maybe it shouldn't bother me but it does. No different than ordering steak and being served a Burger.

The way I see it it's more like ordering a steak Medium Rare and getting a steak Medium. If I'm reading everything correctly your CG is roughly 1" left of where you wanted it and the pin is in the correct location...minimal difference.

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Re: just a bit upset..
« Reply #9 on: November 22, 2012, 02:31:43 PM »
I understand its not what you asked for but I wouldnt let it bother you. The ball is going to go 60ft and flip regardless of how you drill it, especially with no hole. Surface on the symmetrical will be the most essential, asymms as well, but the asymm is a little more fine tunable.
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Re: just a bit upset..
« Reply #10 on: November 22, 2012, 02:36:57 PM »
+1 for the original poster. I'm not a driller, nor do I play one on TV, but I typically use nothing but symmetric stacked or even swung out and at least for me, when I moved the Cg to palm the reaction was noticeably different in the backend.... It may be a small difference to some, but respectfully, without knowing the OP's style of bowling, previous experience and hell, even that fact that it's simply what he ordered, his point is well taken.

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Re: just a bit upset..
« Reply #11 on: November 22, 2012, 02:47:46 PM »
My ball driller an esteemed multiple time regional champ would disagree with this set of statements.

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« Reply #12 on: November 22, 2012, 03:20:25 PM »
^^^^^^^^^^^^
Good answer...
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Re: just a bit upset..
« Reply #13 on: November 22, 2012, 03:23:29 PM »
I am a righty with speed around 17-19 MPH with a pretty decent Rev rate. I prefer down and in anywhere from first to third arrow. I wanted this balled drilled a bit weaker than my fire road which is pin above the RF with the cg swung out right. This ball is basically a mirror image of the fire road. Now the problem I have is what do I do with the eraser banshee that I was going to put between the tropical breeze and the two fast? Was gonna go pin under ring withcg stacked. Not sure now.
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Re: just a bit upset..
« Reply #14 on: November 22, 2012, 03:24:36 PM »
Lefty50....just to comment on your post....to make legitimate statement such as that, you would have to drill 2 bowling balls (that are the same obviously) and have the exact same specs and lay one out with the CG stacked and the other in the center of your grip...then throw them on the same condition the same amount of shots and use a CATs setup to check the data and not use your assumptions or visual perceptions to base data off of...too many times too much is based upon our own perceptions & preconceived notions on what the ball is or isn't doing...
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