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TheGom

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Lane Play....Stone St. Fire and Ice
« on: November 18, 2015, 04:40:10 PM »
House got a new Kegel Flex machine and is using Stone St on high friction AMf Syn lanes.

Last night was the fourth week and something was different...my first guess was the oil since I asked the owner while he was doing the lanes about the Ice oil and the warranty for his new baby. Said that they would go to it soon.

Well, they did and I was told Fire going down and Ice coming back up if that makes any sense....or the other way around if I wasn't listening to good to him.

The change was quite different as any misses right stayed right, wiggled or went in the ditch. This was playing up 7-8 board, straight up. The weeks before I had zero issues with the ball not recovering enough. If you missed slightly left with normal speed it went high. Playing up the boards seem to have a small area but do able if you were consistent with your mark and release which I am not that good. I was afraid to swing slightly from 13-14 in fear of it not coming back so I never tried. I ended up just 10 off my average but our whole team struggled playing ain about the same area. Only person to score was a string handed Tweener with a brand new Storm Lock...plenty of area.

The young man in the Pro Shop tell me you have to much skid and need more surface, more mid lane for this shot.

Thought on playing this shot? Is more surface and a smooth arcing ball drill for mid lane is the ticket?

Throwing a IQ Tour and bow finish with lane shine....take it to 2000? Week before, my Critical Theory box finish was quite good but I did not like the look in warm ups, so I went with my IQT

Thanks for your help in advance

 

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Re: Lane Play....Stone St. Fire and Ice
« Reply #1 on: November 19, 2015, 07:48:48 AM »
Using both oils at the same time doesn't make any sense to me.

This will happen when centers go to new machines and also new oil.  The old machine may have had to have certain settings to accomplish the desired pattern.  Put the same pattern (or similar) in a new machine and everything works better.  No clogs, cleans better, oils better, oils more; these are what you get.

The center should re-evaluate every week or two to make sure they settle on what they want the shot to be.

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Re: Lane Play....Stone St. Fire and Ice
« Reply #2 on: November 19, 2015, 10:35:03 AM »
Using both oils at the same time doesn't make any sense to me.

This will happen when centers go to new machines and also new oil.  The old machine may have had to have certain settings to accomplish the desired pattern.  Put the same pattern (or similar) in a new machine and everything works better.  No clogs, cleans better, oils better, oils more; these are what you get.

The center should re-evaluate every week or two to make sure they settle on what they want the shot to be.

Thanks....I think their settled in on what they want and this is why I asked about lane play strategies and trying to learn from the reactions that I am seeing.

Chances are their just using ICE since this house is known for high friction.




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Re: Lane Play....Stone St. Fire and Ice
« Reply #3 on: November 19, 2015, 10:53:38 AM »

Forward oil creates the shape of the pattern, while the reverse fills it in and gives you the hold area that the pattern dictates.  The ability to use both Fire and Ice is an added feature so the center can have some of the pattern transition more quickly (fire). 
 
Having said that, I believe most will use Ice only for the THS and leagues because nowadays no one wants to move.  They want to slide on ___ and aim at ___ the whole night. 

Stone Street is 42 feet, and my best area to play on the fresh is straight up 7-8, and I mean straight.  I can use nearly anything, but something with less polish is usually better while I'm warming up and getting used to how the ball is coming off my hand that night...  Last time it was my Einstein at around 2000, maybe 3000.
Guys with more forward roll tend to find it more forgiving, but that's not my natural game.

My Tuesday league is second shift on Stone Street and my moves are much smaller as the night goes on.  Hope this helps.

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Re: Lane Play....Stone St. Fire and Ice
« Reply #4 on: November 19, 2015, 11:08:51 AM »

Forward oil creates the shape of the pattern, while the reverse fills it in and gives you the hold area that the pattern dictates.  The ability to use both Fire and Ice is an added feature so the center can have some of the pattern transition more quickly (fire). 
 
Having said that, I believe most will use Ice only for the THS and leagues because nowadays no one wants to move.  They want to slide on ___ and aim at ___ the whole night. 

Stone Street is 42 feet, and my best area to play on the fresh is straight up 7-8, and I mean straight.  I can use nearly anything, but something with less polish is usually better while I'm warming up and getting used to how the ball is coming off my hand that night...  Last time it was my Einstein at around 2000, maybe 3000.
Guys with more forward roll tend to find it more forgiving, but that's not my natural game.

My Tuesday league is second shift on Stone Street and my moves are much smaller as the night goes on.  Hope this helps.


Thanks Lane,

The first few weeks with the new machine and pattern, up the 7-8 (straight up) was my shot and I passed this on to a few if my teammates and past teammates. Light pocket hits carried for once and the shot was forgiving. So I understand your point.

What baffles me is the consistent squirting right in this part of the lane if you missed it a few boards right in the mid section last week after going to ICE. I thought that this was the driest part of the lane and one would get more recovery than hydroplaning. I would like an over reaction would be seen more playing in this area. Is it to much side roll is not allowing the ball to read the mid's?

I did hear a few say that they barley moved all night which is what us hacks like to do.

Thanks again for your help....guess I need more work on lowering my rotation and more surface next week.




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Re: Lane Play....Stone St. Fire and Ice
« Reply #5 on: November 19, 2015, 11:15:44 AM »
My earlier comment was based on me not knowing they could put 2 different oils out.  A new one on me.

Also, if the lanes are as worn as you say, the track area is the most beat up.  Once the areas of the lane previously avoided are available, I assume they will play slicker because of the "fresher" surface. 

This can be a long term disadvantage to wood lanes since you can't resurface synthetics.  Where I am, I still can bowl on wood and my home house went to synthetics just a couple of years ago.  The wood house is going to synthetics within the next year or so.

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Re: Lane Play....Stone St. Fire and Ice
« Reply #6 on: November 19, 2015, 11:36:22 AM »

I forgot to mention that I bowl that pattern on low friction (comparatively) surface.

Every house will act different, but it's a starting point.  As I recall, Kegel suggests playing Wall Street (easier) around 10 board to start, and Stone Street a couple boards to the outside, also as a starting point.

I did find a line about 4-5 boards inside with my Nirvana, but felt more comfortable playing out where I knew I'd find some friction and didn't feel like I had to be as precise.  Good luck.  The main thing is to relax and roll the ball cleanly off your hand so you can repeat it.

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Re: Lane Play....Stone St. Fire and Ice
« Reply #7 on: November 20, 2015, 11:30:36 AM »
My Monday and Thursday league use a slightly modified Stone street pattern.  We have the Kegel walker, and initially they used both Fire and Ice.  As time wore on, "they" decided to go to ice only.  I definitely can see a longer delay in lane transition than when they used both oil types.  It is at an AMF house, and I don't know what of lane surface they use. 

I see lots of people have success on this pattern from a number of different angles.  The highest average in the house plays a very deep line, and the 2nd highest almost points the ball.  For me, I tend to play a small tweener line to start ... like 11 to 7 ... not that will matter for you.  The point being that lots of angles seem to score well for us.

I have noticed on some nights that the outside offers more recovery than others, and when it doesn't they play much tighter and I definitely use more roll on the ball to get the necessary down lane reaction.  Otherwise for my weaker release, my ball will not finish strong enough to take out the corner pins.