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Zanatos1914

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Lane Screwed Up
« on: August 20, 2013, 05:24:26 PM »
I want to know is there a rule on lanes not being sanction or legal...

This past week I promise whoever ran the lanes screwed them up... The lane had no friction on the outside and nothing in the back... I understand the concept of making friction but my team doesnt understand that concept... The lanes did give some halfway through the 2 game but I was already pissed...  Later on I found out the dude who ran the lane wasted oil in the back and attempting to mop it up.. WTH..  I have seen more friction on NABI than last week...

You might say I am complaining and that might be true but is there on rule on this type of stuff - YES IT WAS AMF and it was position round....

 

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Re: Lane Screwed Up
« Reply #1 on: August 20, 2013, 05:32:20 PM »
Did the team that you were bowling against bowl on the same lanes? If so, it's real simple: shoe up, shut up, and bowl. The  cream ultimately rises to the top.

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Re: Lane Screwed Up
« Reply #2 on: August 20, 2013, 05:38:42 PM »
There are illegal conditions but all of your scores will still count.

The center may get a warning.

So to answer your question there is nothing that can be done about it. If you shot a 900 series or 400 series it still counts.
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Re: Lane Screwed Up
« Reply #3 on: August 20, 2013, 06:39:36 PM »
And just how were they illegal?

The rule is simply you must apply 3 units of oil minimum.

The fact there was more than amount applied doesn't make the lanes illegal.

You may have felt the lanes were too tough or favored a certain style but that doesn't make them illegal.

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Re: Lane Screwed Up
« Reply #4 on: August 20, 2013, 11:53:01 PM »
And just how were they illegal?

The rule is simply you must apply 3 units of oil minimum.

The fact there was more than amount applied doesn't make the lanes illegal.

You may have felt the lanes were too tough or favored a certain style but that doesn't make them illegal.

I think what he's asking specifically is whether it's a legal condition to just have lane conditioner mopped in random places by a lazy employee who rather than strip and re-run, just decided to take a mop and move the oil around.

I don't know the answer, but as others have said, there's probably nothing that can be done about it.
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Re: Lane Screwed Up
« Reply #5 on: August 21, 2013, 12:59:00 AM »
Illegal? As long as it had a minimum of 3 units of oil it wasn't illegal. If they have a lane machine that strips and oils, it doesn't take but a few minutes to do a lane! I don't understand how he can spill oil on the back if the lanes are done by machine! Both teams had to bowl on the same condition, so it wasn't illegal! It sounds like the other team won and that's what the post is truly about! If you're team would have won, then we probably wouldn't have an issue! Sorry about your night, but there's nothing that you or anybody else can do! Before we got our new lane machine, our old wick machine messed up and oiled gutter to gutter and it was tough! We adjusted and a couple of us moved deeper and didn't hook the ball and shot really good! Of course everybody else complained to the owner, but he said the same thing! Everybody had to bowl on the same condition and some adjusted and some didn't move and complained! Just my $.02, Bruce
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Re: Lane Screwed Up
« Reply #6 on: August 21, 2013, 08:48:13 AM »
halfway through the 2 game but I was already pissed...  Later on I found out the dude who ran the lane wasted oil in the back and attempting to mop it up.. WTH.. 

What exactly does that mean?  He spilled oil on the floor in the back room, moped it up, and put it into the machine?  If so, I doubt the machine would work properly for a very long time until it is thoroughly cleaned.  Also, what type of machine is it?  Guessing an HVO Summit or something along those lines of a wick machine, seeing as it's an AMF Center...  And there is no way in most modern machines to "waste oil in the back" (guessing that is back end of the lane not workshop) unless the program was modified prior to bowling..  Which from my experience is a very bad idea to modify the pattern frequently..  However, I can see some tweaking in the early season sometimes being in order.

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Re: Lane Screwed Up
« Reply #7 on: August 21, 2013, 08:49:51 AM »
BatBowler is correct on this. As long as the pattern had 3 units of oil then it is good to go. Whether they hand oiled all the way to the pins or the lane machine messed up and did not strip correctly. Whatever the case is, a pattern is out there and both teams had to bowl on the same shot. Yes it may suck not being able to throw strikes at will. Make your spares and I am sure you will come out on top. Learn to adjust to what you are bowling on.

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Re: Lane Screwed Up
« Reply #8 on: August 21, 2013, 10:03:04 AM »
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Learn to adjust to what you are bowling on.

This. It's really that simple, make an adjustment. Don't cry because you can't swing the lane like you can on normal AMF house shots.
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Re: Lane Screwed Up
« Reply #9 on: August 21, 2013, 10:15:01 AM »
Thanks for the responses...


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Re: Lane Screwed Up
« Reply #10 on: August 21, 2013, 10:20:29 AM »
I think the phrase "learn to adjust" is the most overused and arrogant term used on this board.  Fact is, poster is frustrated to have bowled on something very different from the norm on a position round night.

Even if the pattern didn't have the minimum 3 units, the USBC has no real power to punish the offending house especially once that sanction sticker is on the front door.

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Re: Lane Screwed Up
« Reply #11 on: August 21, 2013, 10:46:34 AM »
I think the phrase "learn to adjust" is the most overused and arrogant term used on this board.  Fact is, poster is frustrated to have bowled on something very different from the norm on a position round night.

Even if the pattern didn't have the minimum 3 units, the USBC has no real power to punish the offending house especially once that sanction sticker is on the front door.

He may be frustrated, but the fact remains that the other team had to bowl on the exact same condition and evidently they wonn. Didn't seem to be a problem for them, so what's to gripe about really? There's nothing you can do about the shot, the only way I could see it being truly "unfair" is if the rest of the league was bowling on the regular league shot and only the OP's pair was affected, which could then be grounds for a protest or whatever procedure USBC or the league has in place for such a situation, because really, in a position round, they could have conceivably been jumped by a lower team or teams because their pair was unfairly different from the rest of the league.

Good luck proving it though.
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Re: Lane Screwed Up
« Reply #12 on: August 21, 2013, 11:03:56 AM »
Bottom line, probably reasonable to be upset, but nothing illegal. 

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Re: Lane Screwed Up
« Reply #13 on: August 21, 2013, 11:13:38 AM »
Bowled a Sr regional a few years back.  New house.  Guy started on lane 1 stripping and oiling.  Didn't realize the machine ran out of oil on lane 15 (16 lane house).  Nothing like using a heavy oil ball on one lane and plastic on the other.  Consensus of most of us bowlers was great shot, added a different twist to the competition.  Winner was the guy that could hit the last pair.   
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Re: Lane Screwed Up
« Reply #14 on: August 21, 2013, 11:52:47 AM »
The other team was using plastic or house balls... Plus getting 170 pins

We all know house balls or plastic dont break period unless the lane is really dry and that wasnt the case..  I am use to bowling on lanes that have friction and I searched the entire lane - Nothing... I should have just bowled up the middle and prayed -- Could have developed a line for later on in the game... Didnt think of throwing the ball up the middle and praying instead of looking for reaction....