Author Topic: Local PBA member charged for murdering a 2 year old girl (Read 14193 times)

channel surfer · « **on:** February 01, 2005, 02:26:44 PM »

http://wavy.com/Global/story.asp?S=2887442
EDIT: Also added: http://home.hamptonroads.com/stories/story.cfm?story=81479&ran=49013

From what I know, he does almost every southern regional event, and has at least 1 title under his belt.

Guess he wont be getting any more titles anytime soon.
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Brickguy221 · « **Reply #16 on:** February 02, 2005, 01:58:56 PM »

I never heard of him.
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JPRLane1 · « **Reply #17 on:** February 02, 2005, 02:00:09 PM »

AMF Regional staff not national staff brickguy so if your not in southern region you probably wouldn't know him but as you can see many of us do.
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Strike300 · « **Reply #18 on:** February 02, 2005, 02:10:22 PM »

LANE1_BoWlEr agreed. With some slight corrections.
Not to be rude, or take anything away from the guy, alot of people seem to like this guy and think highly of him but if he did kill that child, whatever he gets he DESERVES. I wish we could shake his a55 to death if he did do it. We should make a big dryer with a no heat cycle for people who wanna shake kids and throw them in it till death. Screw anyone1 who kills children.

Scolai · « **Reply #19 on:** February 03, 2005, 06:28:19 AM »

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LANE1_BoWlEr agreed. With some slight corrections.
Not to be rude, or take anything away from the guy, alot of people seem to like this guy and think highly of him but if he did kill that child, whatever he gets he DESERVES. I wish we could shake his a55 to death if he did do it. We should make a big dryer with a no heat cycle for people who wanna shake kids and throw them in it till death. Screw anyone1 who kills children.

Dude, STFU!

Not to be rude, my azz. You failed in that mission.

Are we to assume that you've never lost you temper and done something rash that you later regretted? More times than I can count I've gotten pissed off and done something stupid. Get mad, punch something, nearly break a hand...that kind of stupidity. Now, assuming that Joey is guilty as charged (which has yet to be proven), his case is no different. Yes, the result in his case was definitely more tragic, but it came about as a result of anger overriding rational thought. We've all been victimized by that at one time or another.

It's not as though he set out with the intent to kill a child. He was (presumably) angry - either the child wouldn't listen, or was crying, or some other thing a child does - and he (presumably) shook the child too hard. You make it sound as though he took the babysitting job with the intent of killing the child that day. It's not as though he plotted out his evil scheme to kill an innocent two year old. He (presumably) made a mistake, something we are all guilty of. And I know the realization of that (presumed) mistake is punishment enough for him. The law has its own form of retribution, but trust me; knowing an innocent child died (presumably) as a result of your unnecessary anger is punishment aplenty - no dryers necessary.

As I've said before: Stop talking. It makes you sound ignorant.
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JPRLane1 · « **Reply #20 on:** February 03, 2005, 06:42:44 AM »

Well said Mr. Nut, I might add that we indeed don't know all the facts. Those of you that have kids know if you turn your back for 5 seconds they could climb on the table and plunge off injuring themselves any number of ways. This happens everyday and yes you would more than likely get charged with neglect or something similiar. You have to keep your eyes on your kids 24/7 to keep them out of harms way and then accidents somtimes still happen. Now this is what could have happened with Joey and it also could be his fault indirectly or directly truth is we don't know. If it was his fault in any way then I am sure as nut said him living with that knowledge the rest of his life will be quite the punishment in itself. I am not defending his actions I am just saying as of right now we don't have any facts either way. As a fellow bowler and friend of his I hope the best for him. I also hope and pray the best for the mother of this child and the rest of her family.
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bamaster · « **Reply #21 on:** February 03, 2005, 09:05:32 AM »

Uh... are you guys saying that it's ok to have shook a baby so hard that it killed the child... because the baby was crying?

Wow. Just.... wow.

JPRLane1 · « **Reply #22 on:** February 03, 2005, 09:19:37 AM »

Obviously that is not what we are saying PinNut has 4 kids himself you think he is saying its ok to shake your children I doubt it.
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Scolai · « **Reply #23 on:** February 03, 2005, 10:33:39 AM »

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Uh... are you guys saying that it's ok to have shook a baby so hard that it killed the child... because the baby was crying?

Wow. Just.... wow.

If you believe what you just said then you are dumber than I thought. It's never OK to shake a baby. But it's ok to try to understand why it happened (assuming it actually happened). There was no intent; there was only a an angry reaction to a tense situation. The results are tragic, the action inexcusable. The reason for the action, however, is understandable.

Your perception of what I said, though, is ignorant.
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bamaster · « **Reply #24 on:** February 03, 2005, 10:45:51 AM »

Funny. I think it's ignorant to look for any justification in the MURDER of a child.

Lemme see if I can think of one... hmmm... maybe... no not that... hmmm... nope. I can't think of one reason to MURDER a child.

I hope he hangs for it and dies a slow painful miserable death. But that's just me.

Scolai · « **Reply #25 on:** February 03, 2005, 10:53:46 AM »

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Funny. I think it's ignorant to look for any justification in the MURDER of a child.

Lemme see if I can think of one... hmmm... maybe... no not that... hmmm... nope. I can't think of one reason to MURDER a child.

It wasn't a murder. It was an accident. Granted it was an accident that resulted from a very poor decision, but it was not a murder. Murder implies intent to do harm, which will be very difficult to prove because there likely was no intent. Michelle has already pointed this fact out from a legal point of view.

And I'm not trying to justify the actions. I'm trying to justify why the action may have occurred in the first place. If you can't separate those two elements of this tragedy, then I can't help you understand much.

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I hope he hangs for it and dies a slow painful miserable death. But that's just me.

And you are an idiot. 'Nuff said.
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bamaster · « **Reply #26 on:** February 03, 2005, 11:00:33 AM »

An idiot because I have my own opinion?

Uh, ok. Whatever you say big guy.

I'm sure you'd be just as understanding and sypathetic if it were little Emma Joy dead.

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channel surfer · « **Reply #27 on:** February 03, 2005, 11:10:49 AM »

oh lord.

To be completley honest, I do not know Joey personally, but my dad knows him fairly well and is the one who told me about joey being in jail. At sometimes he(joey) did seem harmless, but did lack self control when anger(often caused by a bad game)occured. Im sure he didnt intend to kill the baby, but the lack of common sense and self control is what got him where hes at now.. which isnt good.
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Scolai · « **Reply #28 on:** February 03, 2005, 12:13:03 PM »

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An idiot because I have my own opinion?

No. Idiot because you can't see the forest for the trees. You insist on seeing specific details without regard for the whole picture. An action cannot be removed from the circumstances that surround that action, contrary to what you seem to believe. You want to focus on the fact that a 2 year old is dead rather than see what led to that death. You want to punish the action without seeking out the source of the problem.

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Uh, ok. Whatever you say big guy.

I'm sure you'd be just as understanding and sypathetic if it were little Emma Joy dead.

This isn't about my child. But since you bring her up, I'd like to think I would be consistent in my thought process.

Let me clarify something: If (big IF) Joey is in fact guilty as he is charged, he should be punished according to the law for his actions. I would think the exact same way if it were my child that suffered this horrible tragedy.
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Ragnar · « **Reply #29 on:** February 03, 2005, 12:43:16 PM »

Um, guys, before we hang him don't you think we should establish his guilt? Nowhere did it say he shook the kid, only that her trauma appeared "like" shaken baby syndrome. Is he responsible? Probably, given the circumstances. But, it is possible the kid fell from a table or something.

Once we establish his guilt, then punish him to the full extent of the law, but, last time I looked, the presumption was innocent 'til proven guilty.
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JPRLane1 · « **Reply #30 on:** February 03, 2005, 12:45:26 PM »

Exactly Rags great point and what I was trying to get at myself.
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