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2EZ

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Looking for suggestions on lane conditions
« on: February 02, 2004, 03:25:59 AM »
A friend of mine manages one of the bowling alleys I bowl at and is struggling with lane conditions.  His biggest problem, as I see it, is carry down, and the problems associated with it.  The beginning of the shift the shot is fine.  The ball transitions as it should on the lane and carry is ok.  By the middle of the second game though all bets are off.  Moving inside is not an option as the ball will not finish.  Trying to move slightly left (right-handed) and swing the ball to the track is not an option as the ball will either track too hard too early or not finish if too late.  A typical 600 (by ALL league members) goes 250 - 200 - 150.  Please don't get me wrong - I'm not complaining.  But he has asked me, as one of the older school and long-time better bowlers in the area, to help.
Although I have a good handle on balls - cover stocks, weight blocks,drillings, etc., I am not that intelligent when it comes to discussing oil patterns.
I was hoping someone from this site can help.  The alley has older wood lanes.  I think he wants to set up a shot that will give him a chance to get some award scores to compete with the other houses in the area - where award scores are very common.  I know his house is far behind in the tally of awards so far this year.
So, if you were setting up a shot - LEGALLY - that would help your clients get bigger games and series, what would you do.  Shorter and heavier in the heads is my weak attempt at a suggestion.
Sorry, I don't know how long he is oiling, what kind of units he is putting out, or very much at all (some help huh?)  I do know he is using Offense as the type of oil.
Any and all suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks all.

 

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Re: Looking for suggestions on lane conditions
« Reply #1 on: February 02, 2004, 06:39:52 PM »
Tell him to lay down a "wall" or a THS (typical house shot) which is wet in the middle, dry on the outside. Basically you swing the ball way out to like 10 board, it hits the dry, comes screaming back in. One of the easiest shots around. Length is up to him though. It varies.
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Re: Looking for suggestions on lane conditions
« Reply #2 on: February 02, 2004, 06:49:13 PM »
Thanks for the replies.  I agree he could help himself out by drying up the outside a little more.  Currently there is not much difference between 12 and 5 board.  This forces bowlers to tighten up the line a little.  No problem except for the carrydown.
Thanks again - any other thoughts?

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Re: Looking for suggestions on lane conditions
« Reply #3 on: February 02, 2004, 06:52:54 PM »
Thanks again Bob
One question - how long would the oil be, buffing to 42 ft.  That is, would you oil to 30 ft and buff to 42ft?  Or oil to 35 feet and buff to 42?  Sorry, but I told you I was not that up on lane oil patterns.

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Re: Looking for suggestions on lane conditions
« Reply #4 on: February 03, 2004, 09:52:14 AM »
First, sorry about the length and thanks to all who replied.
I was invited down to the lanes last night to throw on several experimental patterns and offer feedback.  The pattern being used was oiled to ??? ft. and buffed to 43 ft.  The pattern is typically flat in the heads, maybe a slight taper to the outside.  I typically attack the lanes with urethane up the track, resulting in an early roll, arcing to the pocket (specs = medium/high rev rate, high track, ball speed 18 - 18 1/2 mph).  This keeps me in or around the pocket, although leaves a few too many corner pins.  I'm guessing I have one of the higher averages in the house at 209.  We discussed that possibly oiling and buffing that long was putting too much oil down the lane, resulting in poor carry later in the shift.
Anyway, last night we worked on putting more units in the front part of the lane and buffing shorter.  I was getting much better backend, and was able to play up the outside with urethane with better carry and, for the first time in a long time, was able to play inside with reactive equipment.  I was able to change ball speeds, hand positions, and types of equipment and score from one area of the lane or other.  This was an attempt to make sure the lanes would be user friendly for a wide variety of bowling styles.  Now we'll see if the shot holds up for 6 games - a typical night with two leagues bowling 3 games each.
I also liked what I read about placing 3 units on the outside (10 board and out) with 20 or so units in the middle.  Again, for everyone who feels putting up a wall is detrimental to the game, my friend is trying to compete for business with several other centers in our area, where award scores are a weekly, if not daily occurrence.  Example, I believe he has had only 2 - 300 games bowled in his house so far this year.  We have another house in the area that averages one/two a week, every week.  Where would you bowl?
Again, sorry about the length.  I'm still open to any other suggestions anyone may have.
Thanks again.

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Re: Looking for suggestions on lane conditions
« Reply #5 on: February 03, 2004, 02:06:21 PM »
Thanks ttcb

That advice is exactly what I was looking for, complete with units, locations, buff, etc.!  I will share this with him next week when I see him.  He is going to put out the pattern we set up last night for the leagues this week and see what kind of reaction he gets.

I'll let you know how it comes out.


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Re: Looking for suggestions on lane conditions
« Reply #6 on: February 03, 2004, 02:43:01 PM »
You also have to remember that carry down could be a function of the oil that you're using.  Legends oil is known to carry down a lot, whereas Prodigy is known to stay in place a lot better.

Old wooden lanes seem to have more of a problem with severe carrydown these days as well, with most centers stripping everyday.  People have gotten used to the fresh backends.
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