Right on.

Hope all the info I gave helped.
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Bakersfield, California

Robb's Pro Shops

Rev Rate: 400-450
Speed: 16-17 mph
Current Average: 236

Neptune66, I don't mean to step on anyone's feet or call out others as idiots, but I speak from my own experiences. From what you are saying I had been in a similar situation until I got my Liberator.

I tried the Cherry and Emerald Vibe's and found them much to strong, the regular Power Groove was much the same. What I found was the Razyr by was a nice Surprise though I never bought it, still contemplating it. The whole pancake core thing causing a ball not to hit is blasphemy from my experiences, your still throwing a 15lb or so object at pins and if its hooking into the deck the core shape really doesn't have much difference from what i've seen. I have used tornado's a lot and still use mine from time to time, weak core in it but it hits just fine, its all about matching up to the condition.

And as I mentioned in my first post in this topic i'd reccomend checking out the Liberator by Lane 1, it is a urethane ball with their diamond core, which in box finish is a bit strong but after taking it to 4k abralon and attempting to polish it (got it to a sheen like state) the ball is great for me on light conditions and hits well, and it could just be more of me matching up but I get comments on the ball all the time and personally feel it is a good piece to consider.

I hope you do find something and it works out.

P.S. rockerbowler18, we all know that TCP has had his moments on here, but he just offered his opinions from his experiences and that should be respected, I feel you should show some respect and rethink how you conducted yourself on this topic
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1. I have my reasons for saying what i said.

2. I don't know much about lane#1, as i've found it doesn't match up well with my game, but it sounds like the liberator might work. The only thing i've found is that reactive resin gives a little more miss room than urethane, even with a more sophisticated weight block...

That being said, i'd still go with a low to mid-priced reactive with a basic weight block, as it's less likely to be so condition specific.
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Bakersfield, California

Robb's Pro Shops

Rev Rate: 400-450
Speed: 16-17 mph
Current Average: 236

Gentlemen... I DO appreciate ALL the comments, and didn't want to start a little skirmish between posters, though I guess it's inevitable in this forum with so  many different (and strong) opinions involved.

All information helps, because the way my arsenal over time (and I am in my low 50's...been bowling for many many years) consists mainly of current aggressive balls and formerly aggressive balls. And my knowledge and reference point for comparison shopping of the lower priced or less aggressive stuff is minimal because of this.

I had (until recently when, after numerous re-drills it lost a part of it's filler around the fingers and I donated it to the lanes) a green circa-1982 Brunswick Plastic ball and still have a Brunswick Black Diamond. But there's a void between those balls and the rest of my stuff that I am only now looking to fill (never felt I needed that type ball before). So... you guys did exactly what I needed you to do. Gave me some ideas as to some current and older equipment that might be the answer. And, I'm kind of lazy, of course, and like to be able to see and touch the ball before I buy it. So I'm a little more interested in balls that I've actually seen in the pro shop or that I could buy off a friend (aka the Cherry Vibe). But that doesnt mean I'm not still considering the rest. Just wanted to narrow the field a bit and get some info.

So thank you again to all.

Oh... as for my arsenal. I'll try to remember all to list here in no particular order (most are 16's, a few 15's):

Brunswick Command Zone
Brunswick HPC Danger Zone
Storm El-Nino X-it
Storm Trauma Recovery
Champions Ultimate Weapon
Columbia Complete Chaos
Brunswick Black Diamond
Hammer [Raw] Anger (2 of them)
Hammer Black Widow Bite
Ebonite Big One (2 of these also)
Storm Triple X Factor (2 of these)
Storm Triple Extreme (2 of these too)
Ebonite Raid (2 of them)

And I think that's all of them. Until recently, I never felt the need for anything weaker than any of these, as some of the older ones are effectively only medium strength despite their heritage.  Actually best for me would be something like my Command Zone which still hits very hard and still moves well. Something just like it, but at a slightly lower level.

And I'm open to new ball companies, BUT... as I said, interested mainly in brands/balls I have easy access to. And I am old fashioned and loyal and will not buy a ball on the internet and ask my driller to fit it for me. I still believe in buyin from my driller (or a friend) even if the price is higher with the driller. But that should be another thread.

The brands I have SEEN in the Pro Shops I visit most are:

Brunswick, Storm, Hammer, Columbia, Ebonite, and Track.  

Some day I would like to try Lane 1, Lanemasters, 900 global, Visonary, etc., but as I mentioned, want to see them up close and personal beforehand.

I would say either the Razyr, Black Ice if you can get your hands on one, or the new Black and Red Bash.
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