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xrayjay

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more hooking balls are coming right?
« on: October 07, 2015, 01:44:26 PM »
why?

I always wondered why the next release out hooks the other release that is just a little over a year old - or less. but I wasn't so sure about what I had assumed till I had a chat with a BR legend and someone who was involved in the industry. And I was somewhat right.

Not much has changed when it comes with playing conditions, especially at the house I bowl. and I'm pretty sure hundreds of houses across the country haven't changed much too. It takes years for some houses to change surface and/or machines, or conditions/pattern/oil.

But, every new release in the HP level always seem to hook more - or does it really? are bowlers being suckered into buying another NIB?

It's been a couple of years that I figured out that I don't need to fill my bags with more NIB's. Or buy an HP ball. I own 6 or seven balls (two NIB) and I only use 3 at the most. The others are "just to try" balls.

But this country always wants more and more, go bigger and bigger, and so I guess it's a good thing for bowling companies and small shops. At the same time, isn't their a peak to bowling ball technology?? if conditions don't change much, what else can bowling ball engineers do?

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Re: more hooking balls are coming right?
« Reply #1 on: October 07, 2015, 01:54:12 PM »
The house shot where I bowl has changed drastically over the past several months.  In comes the Kegel Flex machine and Ice lane oil, and along with it comes a house shot that is extremely challenging.  Averages are down about 20 pins from last year.  The management has stated they don't want to be known as the "easy house" or the "home of the 300 game".  Bowlers are getting frustrated, and many have quit.

From an equipment perspective, Mid-level and lower mid-level balls are showing up left and right.  Brunswick Melee's, Columbia Deliriums and Blurs, Radical Grease Monkeys, Motiv Graffiti Tags, etc.  People are also going in to their basement and pulling out their old stuff with fairly good results.  Bowlers trying to throw the latest and greatest aggressive HP stuff are simply struggling.

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Re: more hooking balls are coming right?
« Reply #2 on: October 07, 2015, 02:01:01 PM »
Every center in my county jacked up their house shot.  60 dollar hollers are the new thang.
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Re: more hooking balls are coming right?
« Reply #3 on: October 07, 2015, 02:05:51 PM »
It applies to cars,  golf clubs and many other industries. They sell products. They have a limited market and a limited run on a product line before they have to release a "new" product.

Like many thing most people do not know how to properly maintain what they have and because of that the performance decreases.

Many proshops miss out on $$$ to be made on ball maintenance vs ball sells.

Everything has to be more because otherwise you'd buy the older stuff at half the price on closeout……. The smarter option to consider.
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Re: more hooking balls are coming right?
« Reply #4 on: October 07, 2015, 02:11:10 PM »
Let them have their hook monsters, at the end of the night I'll have their money. 

Be nice to the customers.   ;)  :)
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Re: more hooking balls are coming right?
« Reply #5 on: October 07, 2015, 02:23:19 PM »


Because they get better length and are more continuous through the pins. Plus, you just gotta have THIS one in your bag.  ;D
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Re: more hooking balls are coming right?
« Reply #6 on: October 07, 2015, 03:15:12 PM »
From the view of the generic house bowler (not me, who throws tropical breezes).

I want to hook a ball like Tommy Jones (or another pro they see that hooks the lane).

So I buy new ball X.  I throw it and (because I don't put near the revs or proper release) it doesn't hook like Tommy Jones.

Ball company Z now comes out with ball Y which has marketing material that say it hooks more than ball X. 

Bowler now buys ball Y trying to hook it like Tommy Jones.

Repeat with next ball release.

And since Fire & Ice oils have come out, I have seen numerous houses switch to that oil and the shot at those houses has changed quite a bit.

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Re: more hooking balls are coming right?
« Reply #7 on: October 07, 2015, 03:52:36 PM »
Good points txbowler.  I have had conversations with manufacturers reps on balls, and they admit that the hook monsters are totally aimed at the "hook in box" crowd that is always trying to buy more hitting power.  The first thing pros do when or if they use these hook monsters is shine them up.  There is way more friction available, even on long patterns, than top caliber scratch bowlers need.   

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Re: more hooking balls are coming right?
« Reply #8 on: October 07, 2015, 03:56:41 PM »
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Re: more hooking balls are coming right?
« Reply #9 on: October 07, 2015, 04:54:55 PM »
I have found that most new releases have covers that are way too strong for a house shot.  Before, you looked for the friction outside to bounce off of and get to the pocket with more angle and carry.  Now it seems that most people want to stay away from the outside friction, because when the ball hits the dry, it burns up and rolls forward.  Yes, a big part of this using the wrong ball, but people don't realize that when they buy the next biggest hook monster and expect it to cover the whole lane.
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Re: more hooking balls are coming right?
« Reply #10 on: October 07, 2015, 05:14:50 PM »
I heard Ronnie Russell mention that guys out on the national and regional circuit have gone more towards symmetrics on most of the patterns they encounter.

I've been in conversation with others who say, depending on the sport-compliant/flat pattern, they're also balling down to a symmetric piece as early as game two out of an eight-game set. And they rarely use a high end asymmetric piece on a THS. If anything, it's only during a practice session in order to get a feel for the piece.
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Re: more hooking balls are coming right?
« Reply #11 on: October 07, 2015, 06:26:45 PM »
Visionary released the Blue/Green Centaur in 2004 (I think it was actually earlier than that but 2004 was the earliest date I could find for this thread.).
I used it then, for light to medium-light oiled lanes. I am currently using it for each of 2 different leagues in 2 different houses as my main ball.
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Re: more hooking balls are coming right?
« Reply #12 on: October 07, 2015, 08:32:20 PM »
It's also called "Keeping up with the Jones's".
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Re: more hooking balls are coming right?
« Reply #13 on: October 07, 2015, 08:41:49 PM »
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Re: more hooking balls are coming right?
« Reply #14 on: October 07, 2015, 09:20:56 PM »
 I used to say stuff like:

 "The ball companies have artificially inflated the market WAY passed the saturation point by preying on the uninformed. Using human nature against the very consumers they were targeting, they have created an artificial "need" by convincing people that you can replace skill with equipment, telling them they can buy the "power and hook of the professional bowler" in a box".

 I no longer say that, merely because I got my behind handed to me by all the internet Einstein's who told me I was just a loud mouthed, opinionated idiot that didn't know what I was talking about.

 But, I do still think it. Just not out loud.

 
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