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12XSECH

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Motiv website
« on: March 23, 2016, 03:42:06 PM »
The info for the jackals was supposed to be up today...just checked and nothing.

 

12XSECH

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Re: Motiv website
« Reply #16 on: March 23, 2016, 05:19:22 PM »
What page on their site is it on?

CoorZero

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Re: Motiv website
« Reply #17 on: March 23, 2016, 05:23:17 PM »
What page on their site is it on?

It's the same slide on their home page as what they put up last week, it just brings you to a different news announcement. Otherwise you can go to the news and events link under the Motivnation area at the top of the page.

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Re: Motiv website
« Reply #18 on: March 23, 2016, 05:35:51 PM »
Hopefully Motiv sues the usbc and wins...This smelled like crap from day 1. BUT that being said....I think we can forget about replacement balls...

If that happens, the geniuses in Arlington will probably raise sanctioning to $30....lmao.
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Re: Motiv website
« Reply #19 on: March 23, 2016, 06:27:13 PM »
IT

Somewhere I had said it is legal for me to buy an AMB Centaur (any of the 3) a Super Carbide Bomb, Immortal, and drill any or all of them up and be legal, and they all have a diff greater than .060, it is just that they were all approved and produced under the old rules.


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Re: Motiv website
« Reply #20 on: March 23, 2016, 07:25:31 PM »
IT

Somewhere I had said it is legal for me to buy an AMB Centaur (any of the 3) a Super Carbide Bomb, Immortal, and drill any or all of them up and be legal, and they all have a diff greater than .060, it is just that they were all approved and produced under the old rules.


Isn't that so twistedly ironic, like to a serious degree???

Funny, I just sold an old, New-in-box Visionary AMB Centaur Solid 16 lb. to a friend who tells me it flares a TON!
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Re: Motiv website
« Reply #21 on: March 23, 2016, 08:11:41 PM »
Exactly CharlesT.


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Re: Motiv website
« Reply #22 on: March 23, 2016, 09:31:15 PM »
Sound like Motiv's lawyers plans to fight the USBC based on past ball grandfathering approvals that have previously been mentioned many times on various forums.
Personally I suspected Motiv wasn't going to take a $1M+ hit without a fight.
Does not mean they will be successful, but I applaud them for not rolling over.  The illegal spec. difference is minute and did not result in any significant performance advantage.  I wish the USBC and Motiv could have worked out an agreement/solution prior to going public, but I guess the USBC wanted to quickly show they sanctioned member they were doing their job to justify sanction fees, even though they could have picked a better situation to bury the axe in.
It will be interesting to see how this develops and what the final outcome is.  Just hope it does not hold the effected bowlers hostage indefinitely.

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Re: Motiv website
« Reply #23 on: March 23, 2016, 10:01:07 PM »
We are hostages. It's coming to the end of the season...position weeks coming up etc...if you can't use your #1 ball, your at a disadvantage.

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Re: Motiv website
« Reply #24 on: March 23, 2016, 11:01:42 PM »
Not a lawyer but do t think they have a chance on the grandfathering. Different situation. The balls grandfathers were already approved and in production when they lowered the limit.

The limit was already in place for these.

Have a chance on the procurement and testing side. Where did the balls come from and how big was the sample size. Things like that. 

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« Reply #25 on: March 24, 2016, 07:05:55 AM »
Not a lawyer but do t think they have a chance on the grandfathering. Different situation. The balls grandfathers were already approved and in production when they lowered the limit.

The limit was already in place for these.

Have a chance on the procurement and testing side. Where did the balls come from and how big was the sample size. Things like that.

And variance of the testing method since most of it relies on procedures done by hand, with measurements no where near as fine as 10000ths of an inch.
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Re: Motiv website
« Reply #26 on: March 24, 2016, 07:46:30 AM »
Aircraft parts have a variance in specs....but with the usbc 1/1000 off calls for ban.....it just proves that they are as underhanded as our government. Backdoor bribes, payoffs, shady deals etc....Dont be shocked if this is the beginning or the end for these morons. At this point I dont care if I get a replacement ball, I want Motiv to go after them with all they got. The usbc has to show a precedence of this kind of ruling and I dont think they can.

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Re: Motiv website
« Reply #27 on: March 24, 2016, 07:47:40 AM »
Not a lawyer but do t think they have a chance on the grandfathering. Different situation. The balls grandfathers were already approved and in production when they lowered the limit.

The limit was already in place for these.

Have a chance on the procurement and testing side. Where did the balls come from and how big was the sample size. Things like that.

And variance of the testing method since most of it relies on procedures done by hand, with measurements no where near as fine as 10000ths of an inch.

The only problem with your logic is that every manufacturer's bowling balls are measured using the same, industry accepted, way.  That sets a standard.  It is also in the rules that USBC has the right to make this determination.
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Re: Motiv website
« Reply #28 on: March 24, 2016, 08:10:58 AM »
Not a lawyer but do t think they have a chance on the grandfathering. Different situation. The balls grandfathers were already approved and in production when they lowered the limit.

The limit was already in place for these.

Have a chance on the procurement and testing side. Where did the balls come from and how big was the sample size. Things like that.

And variance of the testing method since most of it relies on procedures done by hand, with measurements no where near as fine as 10000ths of an inch.

The only problem with your logic is that every manufacturer's bowling balls are measured using the same, industry accepted, way.  That sets a standard.  It is also in the rules that USBC has the right to make this determination.

Fair enough....then let them show the field testing done on the Hammer Taboo series.  Or the Raptor series.  Or provide the validation report on the sensitivity testing of their method.

If you pulled random samples of any bowling ball, there will be the same variance, yet they get to claim the number on the box.  in front of a judge, they will not be able to demonstrate the accuracy of their measurement (i.e., sensitivity).

Selective enforcement does not fly.  It is arbitrary and capricious.  And with an inability to demonstrate VALIDATED sensitivity to the levels being discussed, then they would have a problem.  This is why EVERY manufacturing industry has an allowable range of variance in products manufactured; including heavily regulated industries.

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Re: Motiv website
« Reply #29 on: March 24, 2016, 10:07:29 AM »
It is readily apparent that NOTHING that ANY entity does will ever appease the OP's incessant need to complain about how something gets handled.  It was apparent in the thread about lane certification when they chose not to respond to a pointed question regarding WHY they believed the lanes to be non-compliant.  And now we see they are upset because an entity wants to actually make sure they have the t's crossed and the lower-case j's dotted properly...such is the way of life in the corporate world when something occurs.  In a non-litigious society, you might have seen a different outcome on the Motiv side of the equation...but with the too-easy access to frivolous litigation, companies, especially SMALL companies, are going to measure words carefully and with more precision than was apparently used in checking tolerances on the product they sold.

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Re: Motiv website
« Reply #30 on: March 24, 2016, 11:41:16 AM »
>> We are hostages. It's coming to the end of the season...position weeks coming up etc...if you can't use your #1 ball, your at a disadvantage.

The Motiv Revolt Vengeance is more than good enough to be your #1 bowling ball for your Typical House Shot (THS) lane pattern. Using a Jackal or Carnage on THS is not a necessity. I use my Revolt Vengeance in three different THS leagues each with a slightly different THS lane pattern and that ball works great.
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